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[Super Muslim]

The spanish inquisition is my favorite resturant. It sure does give me gas though.....

It was my favorite Monty Python skit.

I hate snakes.

[jnsbray]

I may not have my wording just as proper as need be, but I am refering to the "Woman at the well" I still have yet to receive scripture telling me that what you all are doing is right...

[Shellie]

jnsbray wrote:

I may not have my wording just as proper as need be, but I am refering to the "Woman at the well"

As proper as need be? Sister, you got two different stories and trying to make them one. That's more than improper, that's unlearned.

I still have yet to receive scripture telling me that what you all are doing is right...

Obviously, from your not knowing the difference between the Samaritan woman at the well and the Good Samaritan, scripture thrown your way wouldn't do you much good.

You wouldn't receive scripture if it bit you in the butt.

[jnsbray]

Maybe you should enlighten me with the scripture I have asked for then...
Proove that you are educated enough to give me the scriptures I have asked for...
The Divorce and remarriage topic still should note even be entered into question for being changed into the church so membership could be allowed because it is a statement of letting adultry and fornication in as well.
Maybe next will be drinking and gambling.

[Shellie]

Maybe next will be drinking and gambling.

Maybe next will be letting people teach BTI that don't know simple childhood bible stories.

[badNova]

Really?

You view The Spanish inquisition as Moving Closer to a Biblical view on a subject?


You've established yourself well.


Explain to me How The Spanish Inquisition was Moving Closer to A Biblical View

The Inquisitions was a tribunal by the Roman Catholic Church that was activated by the Pope (Innocent III) in Rome to root out heretics. It was a move to purify the nation of heresy in order to persuade it's inhabitants to be in line with their view of not only religion but also the proper biblical views. This movement spread throughout central and western Europe and eventually into Spain by the 1400's. It was a movement that lasted for hundreds of years with sporadic inquisitions led by different Roman Catholic leaders and enforced by the Torquemada. All done in the name of God and what they felt was God's will, at least that is how the Roman Catholic Church portrayed it, but as I'm sure you know, their motivations ran a little deeper than that. I would call the bloody results of this movement pretty negative.

[Pastor Bill]

Maybe you should enlighten me with the scripture I have asked for then...
Proove that you are educated enough to give me the scriptures I have asked for...
The Divorce and remarriage topic still should note even be entered into question for being changed into the church so membership could be allowed because it is a statement of letting adultry and fornication in as well.

OK, first of all let's set aside the church, and look at God, and His people.

Are you living in sin to be with your 2nd husband? Honestly, not how the church teaches, how do YOU believe God feels about your situation? DO you consider yourself a fornicator and adulterer?

Maybe next will be drinking and gambling.

And what does that have to do with the price of eggs in Georgia?

how is "drinking and gambling" conneceted to D&R? They aren't, this is just a way of covering up the fact that you don't have scripture to back up your beliefs, so you want to resist change because we all know that drawing closer to God's will always leads to drinking and gambling. Please if you are trying to make a point, try making it rather than dragging up a bunch of unrelated issues.

[Pastor Gary]

Maybe next will be drinking and gambling.

Uhhhhh.... if you go to eat dinner with Christians in most European, Middle-Eastern or Asian countries you might very likely find a bottle of wine on the table at dinner. Like the dinner Jesus had before his trial and crucifixion. Wine. (No, I don't drink and am not defending it -- just pointing out the obvious.)

And there's already gambling: search everybody's purse/wallet and you'll likely find a lottery ticket bought with a pledge that "I'll tithe if I winn!"

[jnsbray]

(Shellie) Maybe next will be letting people teach BTI that don't know simple childhood bible stories.

I may not remember the stories, and that is fine for you to laugh, knock yourself out... :lol: But, if you are so knowledgable, why have you not given me the scripture I have asked for? I gave mine. Because you can't or you would have already done so...

(Pastor Bill) OK, first of all let's set aside the church, and look at God, and His people.
Are you living in sin to be with your 2nd husband? Honestly, not how the church teaches, how do YOU believe God feels about your situation? DO you consider yourself a fornicator and adulterer?

My salvation is not in question, and if you will read back on the chat, I did give scripture!!! iIf you are a minister, then why do you not give me the scriptures I asked instead of questioning me...

Pastor Gary, can you enlighten me with the scriptures I have requested?

[Pastor Bill]

(Pastor Bill) OK, first of all let's set aside the church, and look at God, and His people.
Are you living in sin to be with your 2nd husband? Honestly, not how the church teaches, how do YOU believe God feels about your situation? DO you consider yourself a fornicator and adulterer?

My salvation is not in question, and if you will read back on the chat, I did give scripture!!! iIf you are a minister, then why do you not give me the scriptures I asked instead of questioning me...

Oh, but your salvation IS in question, if the church's current teachings on D&R are correct, then you could not possibly be saved.

I looked back through the thread (boy it's long) and found that you have posted 15 times, ONCE (Page 7 last post) you included some scripture.

Mark 10:4-12 and Matthew 4:31-32 are references to the same teaching when Christ spoke against divorce

Hebrews 13:4 speaks against adultry (probably in reference to the fact that Christ equated divorce with adultry in the previous verses)

OK, you have shown that divorce is sin. I agree, most here would agree Divorce is NOT God's plan for our lives, but neither is ANY sin. So when someone commits ANY sin, God is able to forgive them (or at least that's what my Bible says, I can give you references, but I am sure you are familiar with them)

So now what makes remarriage (note CoGoP teachings do NOT forbid divorce, only remarriage) a sin? If divorce can be forgiven (and you must believe that is true since you believe you are saved, yet you are divorced) then why should we continue to teach that D&R is unforgivable?

We are not trying to conform the church teachings to the world, we are trying to conform the church teachings to scripture, just as we have always been supposed to do.

EITHER
You are saved, Divorce is a forgivable sin, remarriage (since there is no scripture that forbids it) is acceptable, and as a Church we should conform our teachings to the scriptures,

OR

You are lost in an unforgivable sinful condition, and the old church teachings are right and should not be changed.

So which is it? You can't have it both ways. Seeing a contradiction between scripture and church teaching you have to choose whether to follow God's word, or tradition. You on the other hand have chosen to follow God, but insist that the church (which says you are wrong) is right? that doesn't make sense, either you believe the church's stance on D&R, or you believe you are saved, which is it?

"...but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord." Joshua 24:15

[ImaPK]

Bill

Correct me if i'm wrong(and I probably am)remarriage is not a sin(ok)...divorce is a forgivable sin(ok)...now following your chain adultry is a forgivable sin but if I(being divorced)marry someone who is also divorced than neither one of us is committing a sin? Now for the sake of arguement IF it is a sin then we can ask God to forgive us every day and stay married...but if it's not a sin then adultry cannot be considered a sin and the scriptures plainly state that adultry is a sin so in this case church rules would supersede scripture...am I right or wrong(just asking)?

[ImaPK]

I must have ask the wrong question...AGAIN

[Pastor Bill]

Bill

Correct me if i'm wrong(and I probably am)remarriage is not a sin(ok)...divorce is a forgivable sin(ok)...now following your chain adultry is a forgivable sin but if I(being divorced)marry someone who is also divorced than neither one of us is committing a sin? Now for the sake of arguement IF it is a sin then we can ask God to forgive us every day and stay married...but if it's not a sin then adultry cannot be considered a sin and the scriptures plainly state that adultry is a sin so in this case church rules would supersede scripture...am I right or wrong(just asking)?

Sorry it took me so long to respond, (it was a busy weekend)

You are taking some mighty leaps with this train of thought.

Divorce is a sin, but God can fogive our past and take us from where we are. Now if we are bound by our past failed marriage, then how can we say we have been forgiven?

You are equating remarriage with adultry, and I think that is stretching the definition of adultry.

I Corinthians 7:15

7:15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.

The verse above says that if the spouse departs, the christian is not under bondage. Why should we, the church, put them under bondage in this? I do not believe divorce is a chrisitian thing to do, but if in sin a marriage is broken, why would the innocent person (or a forgiven person) be placed under this bondage?

Now many may say that divorce is fine, but the person should never remarry, but would this not also be bondage? A widow is freed from their past (see I Corinthians 7:39), is the forgiveness of Christ's blood less capable of setting a person free than the blood of their spouse?

This being said, I do believe that the scriptures are clear that divorce is NOT God's will in a Chrisitan's life, but a sinful past is covered by the blood of Christ, and we are free from the bondage of our sins (and yes some marriages in themselves are sin)

[ImaPK]

So in other words if my spouse and myself are the "wronged" party in a previous marriage it is ok for us to marry and live in adultary contrary to the scriptures?(just asking)

[curiouspk]

just curious with the last couple of post if the bible teaches freedom from bondage while in sin then is there the same liberty for christians who D/R

Also I agree pk your using the wrong definition for adultry