Willow Creek Repents?

[Shellie]

I'm gonna puke.

[MrDanger]

We love you Shellie.

[dolfan]

Willow Creek's leadership has always tried to assess itself honestly. When you're in something for the long haul, it takes a long time to gauge how effective you are in some areas, especially large organizations. I'm not sure I agree, Jennifer, that the problem is one of following God vs. getting ahead of Him and doing things "man's way". God equips us with good sense, and our ways are His ways through us even when we miss the target. Not so sure God has a specific, preferred way to go forward with being the church of Christ, at least not one that He unfolds for us at the get-go. I think that years of trial and error are a valid way to discover, in time, God's ways, and that doing it in what you might call "man's ways" is exactly what God wants us to do, to keep following hard after Him, and that He unfolds the map a bit more clearly after we've marched around some wildernesses simply because we now know that He is confident in the simple fact that, hey, we CAN MARCH. And, that knowledge most often comes only in experience. Waiting on some divinely revealed, supernatural looking plan is simply a plan to fail, in most cases, IMHO.

And, given John Ortberg's departure a few years back and his own writings since then, and his emphasis on the spiritual disciplines and being, as he calls himself, "Dallas [Willard] for Dummies", is proof positive to me that God is showing WC a different path for a different kind of discipleship, one that we may all be reviewing hot and heavy in a few years.

[DaJudge]

I'm gonna puke.

Let's all sing "We are the World" and "Hands Across America".

[Shellie]

I'm gonna puke.

Let's all sing "We are the World" and "Hands Across America".

I'm not kiddin'....gag reflex going to town!

[MrDanger]

Have I told you how sweet I think you are, Shellie?

Can I make a suggestion? I would love for us to have a Shellie Appreciation Day this week. Can we do that? Please, with sugar on top.

[Shellie]

MrDanger,

It would not be hard to find out where you live.

[Pastor Gary]

Pastor Gary- it seems like only those who disagree with your point of view are "haters" or "gossips", since I never see such labels applied to those who constantly personally attack certain ministers on your forum.

Actually, Sam, I was not even thinking about, or referring to, anyone on Jude2 at all in my post. There is an entire movement devoted to hating Hybels, Warren, et al as destroyers of the faith once delivered to the saints, and if you think Mr. G. Creasy is fervent and angry, those folks make him look like the new and medically improved Mike Vande.

I am not sure who you are talking about, Sam. You and I have not always seen issues the same way, and yet I hold you in high regard and enjoy reading your views. I'll prove it: I'll let you take me Ruths Chris and buy me a steak!

[MrDanger]

and if you think Mr. G. Creasy is fervent and angry, those folks make him look like the new and medically improved Mike Vande.

This has to be the single best quote I have read on Jude2 this year.