Shouting

[Shellie]

Rough Rider wrote:

1Sa 4:5 And when the ark of the covenant of the LORD came into the camp, all Israel shouted with a great shout, so that the earth rang again. 1Sa 4:6 And when the Philistines heard the noise of the shout, they said, What meaneth the noise of this great shout in the camp of the Hebrews? And they understood that the ark of the LORD was come into the camp.

Ah yes, but if you read on in verses 8-11, you find that the Philistines shook off the shout, slew the Israelites and took their ark away from them.

Which means....their shout was empty and did them no good whatsoever.

[oletimer]

Sometimes I'm glad I haven't been "enlighten" It might keep me from enjoying the freedom of the Spirit (Holy Ghost to some of us). It is because of my relationship with Christ and having been filled with the Holy Ghost that I can "shout", don't really like that word. Its seems cheap to me. I like it when they talk about how that the HOly Ghost really moved in that service. It tells me that God was blessing them.

This week, we are in revival and Monday night about 35 people from the Dream Center came to the service. We had some "shouting" and theyare still talking about what a good service we had. If someone got in the "flesh" I don't know, but if so there where others that didn't. The important thing is that we have real relationship with Christ and be sanctified and fill with Holy Ghost. For those that want to "enlighten" me on some of these points, save your time and ink, I don't budge on these.

Pastor Bill posted
It's sad when all someone will accept is a reaction of shouting, dancing, or shaking. Those may all be valid responses, but it's not about the response as much as the relationship with God, and the focus on His purposes.

You are right , but to put stops either way is wrong. I feel to build your relationship with God thru Christ (But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness;), then if there comes a time to let the Holy Ghost bless you and everyone else, every thing will be in order. Just call me old fashion I don't care, its good when God move and "stirs the waters".

BTW. I don't have to shout every service and we don't have a bunch of wild fire either. I'm not decided yet which would be the better, wild fire or a furneal home church. Training might help the wild fire, don't know about the furneal home syndrome, they seem to SET in their ways.

[Shellie]

oletimer,

You are correct of course, but everything that shouts is not Holy Ghost. There is a reason that Paul talked about this very thing and it bringing a reaction to on-lookers that God's people were "mad."

[oletimer]

Shellie Posted:
oletimer,
You are correct of course, but everything that shouts is not Holy Ghost. There is a reason that Paul talked about this very thing and it bringing a reaction to on-lookers that God's people were "mad."

Never said it was, but the important thing is MAKE SURE that what we got is real and all that God would have us to have.

More then enought verses teaches that the Holly Ghost is real and for us. If you don't have the Hlly Ghost and don't seem to be able to recieve Him, then check your life with the word and see if there is someting amiss.

[Brenda]

Their lives bear fruits of the spirit then you can say their shout is genuine. But if they live any which way then its a good idea their shouting is a bunch of noise..ain't a holy shout.

I remember a woman back several years ago. She would come to church about twice a year and each time she'd come she'd shout up a storm. Where ever she was, she'd shout in front by the alter or inbetween the pews. One time my Mother was next to her in the pew when she decided to cut a rug.
After service later on my Mom said to me, "do you think that was the Holy Ghost on her?" She said, "that woman shouted all over my feet and about killed me." She said, "I don't think the Holy Ghost would cause a person to shout all over someones feet and make them hurt do you?"
I said, "I don't think so."

Then I seen a faithful sister and she would shout ever once in awhile. I remember watching her go around and around in a circle slinging her hands, and they would come within inches of the wood on the pew and never hit it. She had her eyes closed..I watched her amazed.

[Pastor Bill]

oletimer,

I agree, and have shouted with the best of them, BUT I have also seen the excesses and carrying on when it's all flesh and no spirit, that was what I was speaking of. I think if we focus on our relationship with God, we'll shout when it's time to shout, and quiet when it's time to quiet.

[rough_rider]

Rough Rider wrote:

1Sa 4:5 And when the ark of the covenant of the LORD came into the camp, all Israel shouted with a great shout, so that the earth rang again. 1Sa 4:6 And when the Philistines heard the noise of the shout, they said, What meaneth the noise of this great shout in the camp of the Hebrews? And they understood that the ark of the LORD was come into the camp.

Ah yes, but if you read on in verses 8-11, you find that the Philistines shook off the shout, slew the Israelites and took their ark away from them.

Which means....their shout was empty and did them no good whatsoever.

Read on a couple chapters and you will find that victory belonged to the shouters not those bapticostals, I mean Philistines...

[oletimer]

Pastor Bill Posted:
oletimer,
I agree, and have shouted with the best of them, BUT I have also seen the excesses and carrying on when it's all flesh and no spirit, that was what I was speaking of. I think if we focus on our relationship with God, we'll shout when it's time to shout, and quiet when it's time to quiet.

AMAN AMAN AMAN

[Full Quiver]

Sure things can get out of hand and we probably all have seen that. But to say all activity is off limits is just as much flesh and wrong.

[Pastor Bill]

Sure things can get out of hand and we probably all have seen that. But to say all activity is off limits is just as much flesh and wrong.

I don't think anyone is saying that, but the attitude many have seen is that if it ain't a shout it ain't God, and that is a very harmful attitude. I have been to churches who ALWAYS shouted, whether it was God or not, and prided themselves on being VERY spiritual, while at the same time God sat me down one time in one of those churches (I was right up there with them, and responding to the spirit, but when he led me to sit, I saw things that really scared me, many were gathered in the alters visiting, making a show, intentionally there to be seen (or at least not to be seen outside of the display). I fought hard not to say something, but God had other plans, and the minister leading the service actually ASKED me to stand and give them what was on my heart. The pastor and a few of the ministers in the church agreed with me, but from what I saw of the church things didn't change.

For centuries the mainline churches rejected this type of move of God, and we as pentecostals broke that mold, unfortunately about 100 years later, we've created an opposing mold, and have begun to reject the still small voice.

I want God however he wants to move in my life, and what I am finding is when I give Him that freedom to lead me, I'm not as often shouting, but I am hearing him in other ways. So I'll shout when He leads me to shout, but more importantly I'll seek HIM in whatever way I can find him.

[lady4jc]

I voted other. And after I voted that I remember the walls of Jericho coming down after they shouted. And Hey when you are at a ball game and your team scores or wins you shout. Well I shout in church cause I am excited and happy because of what God is doing. I see nothing wrong with it. We do get a little radical in church and I love it.

[RamboPreacher]

Sure things can get out of hand and we probably all have seen that. But to say all activity is off limits is just as much flesh and wrong.

thinking in absolutes, much? (again) I agree with Pastor Bill - I don't' think anyone is saying to polarize the shouting, and remove it.

[soulsearcher]

Again, unless I am mistaken, and if I am, please forgive me, the "shouting" in this thread is not about the VOICE, i.e. "shout unto God with a voice of triumph," but about the BODY, i.e. running, twirling, shaking, jerking, rolling in the floor, etc. associated with the pentecostal-holiness movement.

[Pastor Bill]

Again, unless I am mistaken, and if I am, please forgive me, the "shouting" in this thread is not about the VOICE, i.e. "shout unto God with a voice of triumph," but about the BODY, i.e. running, twirling, shaking, jerking, rolling in the floor, etc. associated with the pentecostal-holiness movement.

generally it's both, but I think all the same things apply. However we react to His spirit, (which can be both lead and learned) we need to be careful that we are seeking God, not seeking an experience. We also need to be careful that we aren't focusing on an experience to the point of excluding God from moving in other ways, or distracting from God moving in other ways.

[Shellie]

soulsearcher wrote:

Again, unless I am mistaken, and if I am, please forgive me, the "shouting" in this thread is not about the VOICE, i.e. "shout unto God with a voice of triumph," but about the BODY, i.e. running, twirling, shaking, jerking, rolling in the floor, etc. associated with the pentecostal-holiness movement.

When I speak about "shouting" that is exactly what I am talking about.