church fight over pastor

[PastorDaniel]

Sorry Pastor Daniel,
To address the what if's.... I understand what your saying. I'm one of those people that if you wake me suddenly, I start swinging. No idea why. I've just always been that way.
But to get back to your what if....after he took a swing at her. He continued to want to fight if you listen to what he's saying. So although I agree with your statement about sometimes it's instinct to strike back, he went beyond that.
And I also agree with this:

I remember how sorry we felt for a woman I worked with that came in with a black eye.....until I saw her husband not only did she start it, she beat him up bad and he finally defended himself!

But only fight back if your backed into a corner otherwise run.
And to answer this:

your comparing apples and oranges

Violence is violence! I know the old thinking that a man should never hit a woman. But the truth is nobody should hit anybody.

I think we've worked it out....sometimes texting is as clear as mud. I think we are both in agreement with one another...we've just took two seperate sides of the coin to argue.

On second look.....I do agree that the pastor wanted to continue to fight...but watch it closely....it was the man that was with the woman wanting to jump on the pastor....and he was saying "turn him loose" "let him come on" That is definitly a fighting spirit that should be avoided.

I'm definitly not a reveler or brawler....but I will defend myself or my family even if it means fighting back.

[WindSong]

Watch this link.....you'll like it......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYsxACQLBdk&feature=related

There's the right example!

[PastorDaniel]

Watch this link.....you'll like it......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYsxACQLBdk&feature=related

There's the right example!

Which one...the pastor walking away cause he was dazed and didn't really know what had happened or the Asst. Pastor tackling the guy who hit him!

[stevenson]

Both! LOL!

Pastor Daniel, just to be clear.... I don't want to tick you off cuz I would never want you to tackle me and hold me down.

Getting back to the other video. I do think that restraining somebody who is out of control is the RIGHT thing to do!

[Shellie]

Pastor Daniel wrote:

but it seems to me that woman needed a smack up side the head!!

[Full Quiver]

Where's the fear of God on either part. SHE struck the man of God....didn't God send bears to eat the "children" who were making fun of the man of God?

I'm not even going to watch the video. I am just too lazy too but I could play the holy card and say that the more hits the video gets then the more inclined people will be to copy cat and post their own such mess.

I could answer this quote 2 ways. One is that we live under grace now and God is showing that. The other is that there was no bear to eat the woman because the man was not a man of God.

[PastorDaniel]

Where's the fear of God on either part. SHE struck the man of God....didn't God send bears to eat the "children" who were making fun of the man of God?

I'm not even going to watch the video. I am just too lazy too but I could play the holy card and say that the more hits the video gets then the more inclined people will be to copy cat and post their own such mess.

I could answer this quote 2 ways. One is that we live under grace now and God is showing that. The other is that there was no bear to eat the woman because the man was not a man of God.

A sensible answer....I've just been playing Devils advocate cause it seems everyone was so awestruck that a pastor struck a church trustee....but the trustee struck him first.

I personally don't believe either was right.....but I just get sick and tired of hearing "OMG did you hear what that pastor or minister did" and everyone just overlooks what the members, and supposed to be Christian people do.

We believe in the priesthood of every believer....so in essence we're all ministers whether we are members or pastors and we all should be held accountable to Christian conduct....not just the preachers only!!

[PastorDaniel]

Pastor Daniel wrote:

but it seems to me that woman needed a smack up side the head!!

I can roll mine too

P.S. singular quotes out of context are how rumors get started.

[dawgs10]

I'm sure not any holier than any other person on here. But someone has to be the bigger person in a situation like that.

If this was a dispute between a husband & wife would everybody that is cheering on the pastor being cheering on the husband? Would you say that the husband had the right to hit back? Nobody has the right to hit anybody. And unless your backed into a corner where you have to defend yourself....run, get away from the situation and call the authorities!

Just my 2 cents!

if that was my wife first punch or not the man would be on the ground. when he woke up we would discuss the things of God! dont have anything to do with a pastor or church or what. if a man swings at my wife he better have a gun. wooop! if feel the spirit!!!

[one love]

Daniel they were both wrong but he is wrong in two really bad ways.

1. he is the minister an example and he wanted more, he wanted to fight
2. HE HIT A WOMAN, how does that not outrage you. That is just horrible even if she slapped him. She slaps him and he punches her that is awful, sorry I dont buy the "knee jerk reaction" even when I was a sinner i would not hit a woman. That is me but she was wrong as well and just as ungodly but he was the example, the sheperd and he punched her. Someones mom, husband etc. and old lady.

He should have went and called the police. Then he would have a leg to stand on. We are all to be held to the same standard but he as a minister is to be the example.

[dawgs10]

Daniel they were both wrong but he is wrong in two really bad ways.

1. he is the minister an example and he wanted more, he wanted to fight
2. HE HIT A WOMAN, how does that not outrage you. That is just horrible even if she slapped him. She slaps him and he punches her that is awful, sorry I dont buy the "knee jerk reaction" even when I was a sinner i would not hit a woman. That is me but she was wrong as well and just as ungodly but he was the example, the sheperd and he punched her. Someones mom, husband etc. and old lady.

He should have went and called the police. Then he would have a leg to stand on. We are all to be held to the same standard but he as a minister is to be the example.

pastor daniel respects women. he only hits them when they need it. im sorry. that was over the top!

[PastorDaniel]

Daniel they were both wrong but he is wrong in two really bad ways.

1. he is the minister an example and he wanted more, he wanted to fight
2. HE HIT A WOMAN, how does that not outrage you. That is just horrible even if she slapped him. She slaps him and he punches her that is awful, sorry I dont buy the "knee jerk reaction" even when I was a sinner i would not hit a woman. That is me but she was wrong as well and just as ungodly but he was the example, the sheperd and he punched her. Someones mom, husband etc. and old lady.

He should have went and called the police. Then he would have a leg to stand on. We are all to be held to the same standard but he as a minister is to be the example.

Kevin....Just to clarify.....have you read the multiple times that I have now said "they were both wrong?"...Just curious....

I'll say it again....they were both wrong....I feel the same as you for the most part....you just keep jumping on the "he hit a woman" bandwagon and I keep pointing out that "she hit her pastor" BOTH were severe offences and NEITHER are worse than the other....they both need to repent.

[dawgs10]

Daniel they were both wrong but he is wrong in two really bad ways.

1. he is the minister an example and he wanted more, he wanted to fight
2. HE HIT A WOMAN, how does that not outrage you. That is just horrible even if she slapped him. She slaps him and he punches her that is awful, sorry I dont buy the "knee jerk reaction" even when I was a sinner i would not hit a woman. That is me but she was wrong as well and just as ungodly but he was the example, the sheperd and he punched her. Someones mom, husband etc. and old lady.

He should have went and called the police. Then he would have a leg to stand on. We are all to be held to the same standard but he as a minister is to be the example.

Kevin....Just to clarify.....have you read the multiple times that I have now said "they were both wrong?"...Just curious....

I'll say it again....they were both wrong....I feel the same as you for the most part....you just keep jumping on the "he hit a woman" bandwagon and I keep pointing out that "she hit her pastor" BOTH were severe offences and NEITHER are worse than the other....they both need to repent.

pastor daniel is right. she at least had twenty pounds on the guy.

[Shellie]

Pastor Daniels wrote:

P.S. singular quotes out of context are how rumors get started.

Put it in context or take it out. What you said displays the mindset of why we have abuse shelters for women. There's no way you can make right what you said regardless of how much context you use.

Your comment was that the woman needed someone to smack her upside her head. Justify it all you want. It makes you look like a cad. Your words say that she needed to be "corrected" for her bad behavior.

The ONLY time it is acceptable to hit a woman is in self-defense. This was not the case here. He was not defending himself....he was avenging himself.

[dolfan]

I think the pastor needs to add some spinach to his diet. What a weak right hand! And, the lady needs to work on her backswing a little. Other than that, I think they both need to write 10,000 times, "I will not act a fool in public." What a circus.