Hawaii seceding from US???

[Dr. Ron]

Yeah, right ....the Japanese didn't really WANT the island....that is why they came back and bought most of it.

I do understand the history of that little country as well as the American Indians and many others.

They are mostly oportunists who want to cash in on what has already been built and established.

The Indians want the land for Casinos. Yada Yada....I know way too much about this kind of thing to be impressed by the talk of "our culture has suffered"

Anyway, I don't care if they do leave or not.....just don't make a big humpin deal out of it all.

[Pastor Gary]

Anyway, I don't care if they do leave or not.....just don't make a big humpin deal out of it all.

Ron: I will try hard to not intentionally offend the beliefs of your members, and I would appreciate it if you would return the favor. You can blow this off as irrelevant nonsense because you live 5,000 miles from it. I live here and minster among folks for whom these are major issues, and you have disrespected them with this attitude.

[Dr. Ron]

Sorry for what appears to be disrespect.

I do not mean that in the least.....but I am a little tired of all this liberal junk coming around again.

It's all about discrimination. We, the white, middle class, heterosexual, married to a woman, job holding , tax paying, God fearing , who have fought the wars, paid with our blood to protect, given without measure, have screwed up the whole world.

Have their been injustices??? Well, duh... Yes, life itself is an injustice. I just don't think that now, we should or even could go back and revisit those issues. If the Hawaiians want to re-instate their monarchy, what is the problem with that ....their doesn't need to be seceeding for that. It would, of your opinion, be just a token anyway with no real power to it.

I just think it is time for Americans to move past all this and get on with the issues that really matter. I am a German/ Cherokee Indian who doesn't want my family's farm on the Rhine, nor the land taken from my ancestors to build FOTW on.

Maybe I am just too jaded in my old age.....We need to encourage people do give their time and energies to things of eternal significance.
It is all about building the kingdom of God. And I know you know that.

I do not wish to be dis-respectful of any one....but reality is what it is.

[Mat]

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[one love]

Listen I think we should be sensitive and a little less harsh about situations that surely we all don’t fully understand. I cant say what it feels like to be in there shoes because I am not. Just as I cant say how it feels to be a Jewish person who has been the most persecuted people of all time, nor an African American that is much older and remembers that they were not even allowed to go in restaurants with there army buddies because of there color. I cant say I understand because it never happened to me. I am also part Cherokee Indian but reality is I don’t know what they went through either. We must be sensitive and understanding to things we think we know but surely only our own ego could make us truly think we do.

I In my opinion alone feel America is the greatest nation in the world and many that complain receive an enormous benefit from us and our military protection and economy. I feel some nations slam us outwardly and we keep giving aid and assistance. So I have long been over the whole liberal idea that America is to blame for all, if we wanted to conquer the world well we just about could have, but if we do go to war we help rebuild them.

I don’t know a lot about this issue of discussion to really discuss it but surely they have benefited from us and we have from them. The money and economy there has benefited from many business’s but that does not change what they feel, whatever suffering has taken place or what they want as a state or nation.

I could learn a lot here from you all on this one but I ask we be considerate. Could some of you answer this for me

1. what year did they become a part of the U.S
2. why were they added and were they just over thrown against there will ? if so why did we do that?

I just don’t know this and would love to, you know I would love to see a history forum

[dawgs10]

No State upon its own mere motion can Lawfully get out of the Union, any resolves to that effect are legally void. (Abraham Lincoln). Pastor Gary, i do take this seriously as well. I believe that the talk of succesion should be delt with. No state shoud be allowed to go that route no matter the past. many people in the south during that time in our history felt that the rights that they were given were being trampled on. they were wrong. Now before anyone starts trying to say i am comparing this issue with the south in civial war history just stop now. all i am saying is the union that is, must never be allowed to be changed in anyway except for growth. this is most important to the country we live in. a state does not have the right to take this upon there selves. i love those folks, but they are wrong. sorry Pastor Gary.

[Full Quiver]

I am all for states leaving the union if their people vote to do so.

If Hawaii wants to leave let hem leave. They will need their own military though, by my vote, and we should not treat them as anything any different than a sovereign nation in the middle of the ocean.

From what I understand the island is an economic drain on the national budget and yes many of the people are overweight, not because of fast food but for the same reason we all are (laziness and bad diets), and many of the people are poor. Leave the union; leave the tax dollar behind.