Women In The Church Service

[Dr. Ron]

To All:

The Holy Spirit is not hampered by gender.

Steve.....I can show you hundreds of churches that would not exist today if some "lady of God" had not preached them out!

My grandmother and her sister could preach more in 5 minutes than most of the preachers in COGOP today. They preached in 33 cities in Tennessee and got the churches started and then called the DO to come in and "organize" those churches. Many of them are some of the strongest churches in the state today.

Gerald's grandfather was impacted by them greatly......and my mom can still "take care of business".

They whole idea of "no women preachers and teachers" was a cultural issue. They were not "allowed" to be educated. And they had no rights.
They were considered property. But the tearing down of the wall broke that hold. "There is no more.............bond or free....you get it.

As a SO, if it had not been for the willingness of many women to go where men would not, I would have been severly hurting for preachers.
God bless em all!!!!!!

[Steve]

OK, I'll bite. Explain to me how the women speaking part of 1 Corinthians has no meaning to our culture, and that it only applied to their culture. Explain how you decide that THAT section doesn't apply to us, but the other sections do.

Explain to me how you would instruct a people-group who had never heard of the Bible how they must understand the culture of Rome to REALLY understand what this passage is saying to them.

[soulsearcher]

My grandmother and her sister could preach more in 5 minutes than most of the preachers in COGOP today. They preached in 33 cities in Tennessee and got the churches started and then called the DO to come in and "organize" those churches. Many of them are some of the strongest churches in the state today.

Ditto for my grandmother in Alabama.

[Steve]

Steve.....I can show you hundreds of churches that would not exist today if some "lady of God" had not preached them out!

Ron, I understand that BUT WHAT DOES THE SCRIPTURE SAY????????? I am sure there are some strong churches that were started by drunks and child molesters too, but WHAT DOES THE SCRIPTURE SAY??????

We have for TOO LON been led by sermons and opinions and not the BIBLE!

[Dr. Ron]

Well, I guess I will just have to say that most cultures wouldn't have your KJV in the first place.

Secondly, maybe all those churches that were "preached out" by women should just shut down and cease to win souls......that would bring the "letter" to the book....but the "spirit" would be withdrawn. Guess that would make the legalists happy.

I don't have all the answers. I do know that it is easier to get forgiveness than permission.

What I can't understand is, If the scripture is totally against women in the pulpit, then why does God call them to it? And he does........I will certainly stack my grandmother and aunt's relationship to God up with anyone who has ever lived. I know they heard the voice of the Lord directing them to various towns and they left "fruit" behind where ever they went......even the last GO of COGOP" was a product of my grandmother's preaching.....of course that might be a good argument for your case.....

[soulsearcher]

Cathy Payne, Teresa Taylor, and Sylvia Staten can out preache most men I know.

KB

And Elva Howard could out-preach all of them combined, with one hand tied behind her back.

[paul]

A young mother in Melborne was on trial for beating her 7 and 3 year old children. Her defense was Provers 13:24; 19:18; 22:15; 23:13,14; 29:15 and Proverbs 22:15; 23:13-14

She was found guilty and fined.. A hundred years ago people and the pulpit quoted these scriptures to lend support to severe beatings of children, slave factory work. Society then whould have frounded on any more of a gentler way of dealing with children. The children were beaten with rons and whips. Those of the 19th centery never doubted that they could best please God by not sparing the rod,
confident in their reading of scripture, they were determined that no one would accuse them of unbiblical leniency !

Same principle.. Our culture has changed....Thank God

[KBevangelist]

Cathy Payne, Teresa Taylor, and Sylvia Staten can out preache most men I know.

KB

And Elva Howard could out-preach all of them combined, with one hand tied behind her back.

Sorry my apologies I forgot to list her. Yes she could

KB

[DeWayneTN]

Steve, speaking strictly on a surface level of Scripture, what do you do with Galatians 3:28?

[Steve]

What I can't understand is, If the scripture is totally against women in the pulpit, then why does God call them to it? And he does........

Where? Specifics please?

I will certainly stack my grandmother and aunt's relationship to God up with anyone who has ever lived. I know they heard the voice of the Lord directing them to various towns and they left "fruit" behind where ever they went......even the last GO of COGOP" was a product of my grandmother's preaching.....of course that might be a good argument for your case.....

OK, by this logic, the ends justify the means. So it doesn't MATTER what the scripture says, as long as we hear a good message or a "strong" church is started.

Then:

Since folks are being healed, we should lay off Todd Bentley and his kind,

Jimmy Turner (Remember him, Ron?), who swept through TN in the late 70's should have been welcomed and loved because he had knock down drag out revivals where TONS were saved, sanctified, filled with the Holy Ghost and joined the GREAT Church of God...even though after the Revivals he would go to a different county and get drunk and get a prostitute.

Either 1 Corinthians is relevant or it isn't. Either the passage in question was ONLY aimed at those old haughty Corinthian downtrodden women or it was to all. It doesn't matter. I didn't start this to change anyones mind anyway. You can read the Bible. It's a funny thing to me that women were not preachers for the entire history of the church up until the late 1800's/early 1900's. I guess we are "enlightened" now. I wonder how many OTHER things we will be enlightened on?

"....ya know, there are folks who say the Bible says women shouldn't preach, well I DON'T CARE WHAT THEY SAY....NOTHING is gonna stop me from preachin'"! ~ Female evangelist in a COGOP service after which many shouted.... yea...even if God Himself said not to, she would keep on.

I'm done guys. Thanks for letting me vent.

[EagerBeaver]

I don't see any evidence in the Bible against women preaching, but I do see evidence against women pastoring...big difference...

Yet COGOP has women pastors, deacons, and I predict before long, bishops.

That's one of the things I never understood. Scriptural evidence to the contrary exists as to the points of women pastoring, but COGOP still stands by it.

As for women preaching, we had Deborah judge Israel for awhile in the OT, and in the NT there is the evidence that says (as has been cited here) that man or woman has no differentiation.

So I deduce that Biblically women can PREACH, but not pastor.

[RamboPreacher]

I don't see any evidence in the Bible against women preaching, but I do see evidence against women pastoring...big difference...

Yet COGOP has women pastors, deacons, and I predict before long, bishops.

That's one of the things I never understood. Scriptural evidence to the contrary exists as to the points of women pastoring, but COGOP still stands by it.

As for women preaching, we had Deborah judge Israel for awhile in the OT, and in the NT there is the evidence that says (as has been cited here) that man or woman has no differentiation.

So I deduce that Biblically women can PREACH, but not pastor.

with that logic, they can't be a bishop either, since they have to be a "husband to one wife." I wonder what Paul was thinking when he referred to the women apostles.

BTW, dave c - another good devotion - thanks.

also - from the Doctrine forum:
http://www.jude2.com/viewtopic.php?t=12569
I have a couple posts there on the topic that are rather lengthy, so will let you go to that thread for anyone actually interested.

[EagerBeaver]

I don't see any evidence in the Bible against women preaching, but I do see evidence against women pastoring...big difference...

Yet COGOP has women pastors, deacons, and I predict before long, bishops.

That's one of the things I never understood. Scriptural evidence to the contrary exists as to the points of women pastoring, but COGOP still stands by it.

As for women preaching, we had Deborah judge Israel for awhile in the OT, and in the NT there is the evidence that says (as has been cited here) that man or woman has no differentiation.

So I deduce that Biblically women can PREACH, but not pastor.

with that logic, they can't be a bishop either, since they have to be a "husband to one wife." I wonder what Paul was thinking when he referred to the women apostles.

BTW, dave c - another good devotion - thanks.

also - from the Doctrine forum:
http://www.jude2.com/viewtopic.php?t=12569
I have a couple posts there on the topic that are rather lengthy, so will let you go to that thread for anyone actually interested.

You are correct in that women cannot be bishops either.

Now I'm not trying to sound like a chauvinist pig. I have heard some women preach that were amazing. I believe the Spirit has gifted many women with an exceptional ability to preach. I simply don't believe by the Word that they can pastor or be a bishop (overseer of pastors).