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Postby Pastor Gary » November 3rd, 2008, 7:45 pm

Full Quiver wrote:If BO is elected then the Secret Service will have a heck of a job on their hands. BO plans on attending a massive victory party in Chicago with potentially a few hundred thousand people present. I'd resign if I worked for the SS due to an increased possibility of having to give my life for an idiot.

Senator Obama has, IMHO, the best life insurance that can be had -- Joe Biden as a successor in the event of something happening to him. Anybody really believe President Joe Biden sounds better than President Barack Obama??
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Postby Sherry » November 3rd, 2008, 8:21 pm

Pastor Gary wrote:
Full Quiver wrote:If BO is elected then the Secret Service will have a heck of a job on their hands. BO plans on attending a massive victory party in Chicago with potentially a few hundred thousand people present. I'd resign if I worked for the SS due to an increased possibility of having to give my life for an idiot.

Senator Obama has, IMHO, the best life insurance that can be had -- Joe Biden as a successor in the event of something happening to him. Anybody really believe President Joe Biden sounds better than President Barack Obama??



Joe Biden reminds me of someone.....

Oh yeah, the guy Jim Carrey played in that movie, "Dumb & Dumber!" :)

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Postby Ilovebigcats » November 3rd, 2008, 8:46 pm

DaJudge wrote:
Ilovebigcats wrote:We will watch President Biden on TV say, "I told you he should have picked Hillary," after Obama is assassinated by a group of skin heads from Alabama and Tennessee. :roll:

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I SO hope you are wrong. It would literally destroy the country if that happened. Remember the Rodney King riots? That's about 1/1000th of what would happen if some redneck shot Obama.


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Postby dolfan » November 4th, 2008, 4:07 am

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I was young and now I am old, yet I have never seen the righteous forsaken or their children begging bread.


They are always generous and lend freely; their children will be blessed.
Turn from evil and do good; then you will dwell in the land forever.
For the LORD loves the just and will not forsake his faithful ones. They will be protected forever, but the offspring of the wicked will be cut off;
the righteous will inherit the land and dwell in it forever.
The mouth of the righteous man utters wisdom, and his tongue speaks what is just.

The law of his God is in his heart; his feet do not slip.

The wicked lie in wait for the righteous, seeking their very lives; but the LORD will not leave them in their power or let them be condemned when brought to trial.


Wait for the LORD and keep his way. He will exalt you to inherit the land; when the wicked are cut off, you will see it.

I have seen a wicked and ruthless man flourishing like a green tree in its native soil,


but he soon passed away and was no more; though I looked for him, he could not be found.

Consider the blameless, observe the upright; there is a future for the man of peace.

But all sinners will be destroyed; the future of the wicked will be cut off.

The salvation of the righteous comes from the Lord; he is their stronghold in time of trouble.
The LORD helps them and delivers them; he delivers them from the wicked and saves them, because they take refuge in him.


Jennifer, I know God is just. He is faithful. That does not mean, though, that God has never let his children go so bad that they cannot sustain themselves. It simply isn't true, and it is more than just a semantic argument. It matters here and now. David may not have seen it, but I can assure you we all have. Innocent people, God's children, little ones, starve everyday and die from it. Of course we believe that He receives them. No argument there from me. But, the question is might it be that God allows us to experience the severest of difficulties, even beyond the Great Depression era, and oppressions that we never imagined would happen to us as Americans? I don't know that we will, but I do think it is possible under an Obama presidency and a leftist government that will in a few short hours be in control of this country. The concerns I have about it are not assuaged by reassurances that God just won't let it get that bad. Sometimes it gets that bad for His own purposes, whatever they may be. Those things are too big for me to wrap my head around, but I live in the here and now, and today our nation, the one your family and mine, your ancestors and mine, fought somewhere in this world to protect and keep free. And, we're giving the keys to THIS kingdom to a group of people who are committed to driving it into the side of a mountain.

Faith in God? Yes! Faith that He will cause a particular outcome in our favor so that we don't have grave difficulties? No, not at all, and He doesn't guarantee it. I'm not abandoning hope, but I am being honest about the prospects for America and our lives in it.
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Re: Preparing for the New Reality

Postby Paully_44 » November 4th, 2008, 4:54 am

A depressed economy.

Airwaves censored regarding political thought and expression.




I feel like we are already experiencing these, a depressed economy and a censorship of the airwaves. Censorship may not be political but it sure has changed enormously since the Janet Jackson incident.
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Re: Preparing for the New Reality

Postby dolfan » November 4th, 2008, 7:11 am

Paully_44 wrote:
A depressed economy.

Airwaves censored regarding political thought and expression.




I feel like we are already experiencing these, a depressed economy and a censorship of the airwaves. Censorship may not be political but it sure has changed enormously since the Janet Jackson incident.


Paully, with all respect, we are not in a depressed economy. The bailout bill may wind up being a depression catalyst when all is said and done (if not, it will at least be a massive tax increase catalyst and doubtlessly a big government control catalyst). A bipartisan one at that. But we're certainly not in anything resembling a depression now. The nation's highest state unemployment rate is 8.7 in Michigan (8.8 in Rhode Island, but its so small of a state that the rate there doesn't mean as much as Michigan's). That's high, but with the automotive industry jobs leaving Michigan, not surprising. In Alabama, the rate is now 5.3%; many states are lower. Historically, 5% unemployment is considered full employment. When you get below 5% unemployment, wages are increased and productivity from that unemployed force is down (disproportionate numbers of non-productive people in that pool). A little unemployment is good for the economy.

Let's contrast that with Great Depression unemployment. In 1932, it peaked at 24.9% nationally. WWII brought us out of it, actually. Non-military government programs put some to work when the government served as an employer of last resort for many. But, as late as 1939, the national unemployment rate was still 17.9% When Carter was president, the national rate of unemployment was 7.7% by 1980. Today, in this economy, bad enough as it is, the national rate is 6.1%.

Carter appointed Paul Volcker as the Fed chairman when inflation was soaring (as high as 19% per year; by contrast, the highest yearly inflation in the Bush presidency has been 6.3%, which is plenty high, but not Carter high and not depression high by any stretch). Volcker increased the Fed lending rates to crush inflation, take money out of circulation, make it more scarce. Well, he succeeded. The prime rate of interest after Volcker was appointed rose to 21.5 percent by the end of Carter's presidency. Today the Fed Prime Rate, as I type, is 4.00%. Imagine what this did to people buying cars and homes. Volcker sucked the economy dry to stabilize prices. Inflation fears are real, especially with so much money being printed for and pumped into banks. Today, Volcker is a primary advisor to Barack Obama. It is not unrealistic to think that Obama may take a similar tack on dealing with inflation although the underlying situation is vastly different from Carter's.

In the end, to be fair, Volcker's policies did reign in inflation, but the cure was extremely painful. But, Carter coupled it with tax increases whereas Reagan reduced taxes. By the time Volcker's 2nd term ended, Reagan had reduced the top marginal income tax rate from 70% to 50%. That rate went to a top marginal rate of 28% in 1986. I don't care what that did to Federal revenues. As long as the Federal Government can keep the interstates paved well and point the missiles in the right direction and make sure the triggers work, that's all the money they need.

The point behind all these facts: We're in no depression. Statistically, by reports from the government, we're not even close. It's shaky ground whether we're even in a recession, but let's say we are. Recessions are cyclical and don't require drastic action, especially in the post-Carter era. The drastic action undertaken by the bailout bill may push us into Carter-era crises, or worse. Having Obama to oversee that is not only not comforting, it is cause for grave pessimism especially if you value your right to work for your own gain and to enjoy the fruits of your own labor and all that with minimal or no government intrusion into your life.

As for censorship, that's not even an issue yet. When the Fairness Doctrine is re-enacted with a vengance, you'll see censorship.
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Postby INLOVE » November 4th, 2008, 7:33 am

Full Quiver wrote:If BO is elected then the Secret Service will have a heck of a job on their hands. BO plans on attending a massive victory party in Chicago with potentially a few hundred thousand people present. I'd resign if I worked for the SS due to an increased possibility of having to give my life for an idiot.


This morning I heard on the news that they are thinking about 1 million people. :shock:
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Postby forestwalker » November 4th, 2008, 7:39 am

The new reality will look mostly like the current reality. Relax.
For the truth that lies at the heart of theology is not something there to be discovered, but something, or rather someone, to whom we must surrender. The mystery of faith is not ultimately something that invites our questioning, but something that questions us.
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Re: The best

Postby darylscook » November 4th, 2008, 7:41 am

Pastor Gary wrote:
Full Quiver wrote:If BO is elected then the Secret Service will have a heck of a job on their hands. BO plans on attending a massive victory party in Chicago with potentially a few hundred thousand people present. I'd resign if I worked for the SS due to an increased possibility of having to give my life for an idiot.

Senator Obama has, IMHO, the best life insurance that can be had -- Joe Biden as a successor in the event of something happening to him. Anybody really believe President Joe Biden sounds better than President Barack Obama??


You know that is exactly what I was thinking.... I would rather have BO that JB.

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Postby sweetpea » November 4th, 2008, 7:42 am

I would also.

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Re: Preparing for the New Reality

Postby darylscook » November 4th, 2008, 7:43 am

Paully_44 wrote: Censorship may not be political but it sure has changed enormously since the Janet Jackson incident.


really :?:

I haven't noticed a big difference other than hearing about a 5 second delay to keep junk off, PTL.

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Postby dolfan » November 4th, 2008, 7:47 am

forestwalker, perhaps for a while, but not for very long. He's gonna change the world, remember? If they look mostly as they do now, he's a one-termer. I don't take the confiscation of private property (taxes, eminent domain for starters) as "mostly the same". It's already gone too far under Republicans. Obama makes no secrets about his intentions. A court that rules on principles of economic justice and redistribution of wealth and positive "rights"? No, sir, not the same at all.
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