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[Tim Elston]

God called for genocide of entire peoples throughout the OT Tim. He included women and children and maybe even livestock. The problem is that the Israelites were to "politically correct" to obey and they suffer to this day for it.

Too politically correct to commit genocide. I understand, Danny. That's your guiding principle. And yet I support your opposition to abortion. Yes, I must boggle your mind for opposing your murderous ethic at the same time that I support your opposition to killing babies. To judge individual issues on their own merit is too boggling, but to judge everything by a single issue that serves to justify every other evil is something you can understand.

[Brian]

So Paul was a self serving bigot? Or is it my interpretation of his character that causes you distress?

What causes distress to me, Brian, is people, whether past or present, using God as a cover for genocide and other "holy" things. I don't recall either Jesus or Paul calling for the extermination of Samaritans or anyone else, for that matter. If anyone's theology gives a pass to mistreatment, murder, and genocide, then screw it and its so-called loving god.

Problem is Tim, and you know this full well, that no one came even close to "using God as a cover for genocide". I think you got this whole "genocide" angle from my comment on another thread:

Are you not aware Tim that everyone, without prejudice, that is in opposition with the um....politics of God will be shot down ,mowed over, utterly destroyed, killed, sliced and diced all because they simply held to a different set of ideals and morals than the ones DEMANDED by our Lord and Saviour God? Or maybe He is just a genocidal murderer in His heart?

You know that my reference wasn't to suggest that we as christians should exact Gods justice and kill all non-believers, but, and this is probably one of the reasons you have come to not believe in God is because the word declares that thats what HE IS GOING TO DO.
So your problem isnt with people who supposedly support "genocide" but with a God who is just and true and right and will in fact exact HIS revenge on ALL those who oppose Him. Sorry, thats just how I see it.

I didnt mean to take this thread ina different direction, sorry.

[Tim Elston]

Problem is Tim, and you know this full well, that no one came even close to "using God as a cover for genocide".

Brian, I am referring to this statement by Full Quiver: "God's way always worked. KILL all your enemies Israel including women and children!!! When they fail to do that they have trouble. Extinguish the 'Palestinians' and there will be no talk or need of a Palestinian State." Is it, or is it not, murderous, genocidal, and infanticidal?

So your problem isnt with people who supposedly support "genocide" but with a God who is just and true and right and will in fact exact HIS revenge on ALL those who oppose Him. Sorry, thats just how I see it.

My problem is with murdering. It doesn't matter who claims to do it in God's name. I've never heard God say anything, but I've heard and read a lot of what humans say God said. I don't believe for a second that God would tell either Hitler or Samuel to exterminate a race of people, but I sure do believe that humans would say that God told them that.

You believe that God is not only ok with committing genocide, but also you believe that God did it righteously through Samuel and Saul, and you support that action with all your heart. Yet you argue with me for acknowledging and supporting some of Obama's policies, like, for example, an executive order against lobbying, a ban on turture, drawing down the Iraq war, and putting our military resources into Afghanistan where our real threat lies, because he supports the murder of unborn children.

Well, sorry, Charlie, but I don't care who used or uses God's or choice's name to murder children, I'm against it. That doesn't mean that I can't appreciate the good things that either Democrats or Christians do. It just means I don't buy the excuses for murder, in whosever name or for whoever's convenience they occur.

[Brian]

Fair enough Tim. And yes I believe in the entire bible, even the stuff that says God told so and so to kill such and such. Has everyone who has killed in the name of God acted truly on His behalf? No! But as far as the bible goes, yep I believe it. Do I believe people can kill in Gods name today? No! But one day He will and Im ok with that.

[Tim Elston]

Fair enough Tim. And yes I believe in the entire bible, even the stuff that says God told so and so to kill such and such. Has everyone who has killed in the name of God acted truly on His behalf? No! But as far as the bible goes, yep I believe it. Do I believe people can kill in Gods name today? No! But one day He will and Im ok with that.

I'm not okay with it, but I have to live with you believing it, just like I have to live with Obama believing his own murderous narrative. That doesn't mean that I can't appreciate the good that both of you do or appreciate your good qualities. That's my point. I have to live with both of your junk. That doesn't mean that I have to despise everything you do and are, and I don't.

[bibleguy]

Fair enough Tim. But is it possible that your contempt for the so called self-righteous has blinded you in such a way where you can't see the truth in there critique?

Obam-eluia!!

[Tim Elston]

Obam-eluia!!

I think that since the 'ia' part comes from 'jah' in 'hallelujah,' it would more likely be 'allelobama,' as in, 'allelubush' or 'allelureagan' or 'allelutomlinson' or 'alleluipruitt' or 'alleluphillips.'

[Dr. Ron]

Tim, for you to call me a bigot is expected....just cause I don't like this history making partially black idiot. He is not governing from the center. It is as left as it can get.

I may not have all your intellect, but I do have some sense of politics. I may not always be right, but you won't goad me ......as I know your tirades are trying to do.

I will give this man credit when he deserves it , like I did George, and I will castigate him when he deserves it. You already know that I don't hold with the race thing. I don't care if he is plaid. He RAN for the office....he Won....now he has to take the heat like everyone else.

I am not a bigot. I am not even republican as such. I am a christian who will not bow to the king......end of that story.

[Full Quiver]

Tim, prove that my ethics are murderous. Do so or shut up!

[Tim Elston]

Tim, prove that my ethics are murderous. Do so or shut up!

You said this, Danny: "God's way always worked. KILL all your enemies Israel including women and children!!! When they fail to do that they have trouble. Extinguish the 'Palestinians' and there will be no talk or need of a Palestinian State."

That is a murderous ethic.

[Full Quiver]

That's what God said not me Tim. Are you that blind? Even if you don't believe it is God's word then surely you should know that this 33 year old man didn't author it.

By the way, God caused a flood that killed all humans but 8 and all animals but a few. Is that genocide?

What will you call it when he casts the unbelievers into the lake of fire?

[Tim Elston]

That's what God said not me Tim. Are you that blind? Even if you don't believe it is God's word then surely you should know that this 33 year old man didn't author it.

By the way, God caused a flood that killed all humans but 8 and all animals but a few. Is that genocide?

What will you call it when he casts the unbelievers into the lake of fire?

Just like I said. You have a murderous ethic. You call for the extermination of Palestinian women and children in God's name as a final solution for the state of Israel, and rather than renounce it justify it with the biblical narrative. Bible or no Bible, God or not God, it is genocidal, murderous, and infanticidal. Pardon me if I am not moved by your righteous indignation at abortion.

[Full Quiver]

Quite frankly Tim I don't believe you are against abortion and I am not murderous. You just want us to believe you are a centrist but most of us can read better than that. I am not shaken though because i know that my God will return, commit genocide, rid the world of all unbelievers, your god, and the Palestinian terrorists.

[Tim Elston]

Quite frankly Tim I don't believe you are against abortion and I am not murderous. You just want us to believe you are a centrist but most of us can read better than that. I am not shaken though because i know that my God will return, commit genocide, rid the world of all unbelievers, your god, and the Palestinian terrorists.

I'll see you on Facebook, friend. Thanks for taking the time to chat today.

[Brian]

Tim, prove that my ethics are murderous. Do so or shut up!

You said this, Danny: "God's way always worked. KILL all your enemies Israel including women and children!!! When they fail to do that they have trouble. Extinguish the 'Palestinians' and there will be no talk or need of a Palestinian State."

That is a murderous ethic.

Tim, be fair and tell the rest of what he said.....

Gerald, what I described was God's way in the Old testament........

He said that just a few posts down in the thread that you linked to.