Yet ANOTHER dead horse beating

Paully_44 · Postby **Paully_44** » March 13th, 2008, 8:12 am

AndyG wrote:Somebody want to do it a favor and euthanize it and start a new one if needed? (Although personally I think this thread is more about desecrating the corpse of an Equus Caballus)

oh, oh... look who opened a whole new can of worms about Euthanasia

teach · Postby **teach** » March 13th, 2008, 8:21 am

Shellie wrote:
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Holy Cow, a thread that has been dormant for nearly 3 years resurfaces.

Uhhh, try four.

I had no idea this thread was that old..... I just voted today!!!!

wendy k

free · Postby **free** » March 13th, 2008, 8:38 am

I wondered where this thread came from...I thought we settled some of these questions at the last assembly.

Postby **Pastor Gary** » March 13th, 2008, 8:43 am

paul wrote:Trying to respect PG WISHES I will not respond to the poll.

That "COGOP only" request was made at the inception of the the post, years ago, before COGOP settled the matter... it was an attempt to show how divided we were on the issue.

Since this is a resurrected post, a voice from the past, please feel free ti inject your thoughts; you paid enough CPMA memberships to voice an opinion. :wink:

PastorDaniel · Postby **PastorDaniel** » March 13th, 2008, 8:45 am

I am a pastor and ordained minister in the cogop. The area that I live in is very rural and a lot of people tend to be against any sort of change on any issue. I was told that my local church had split over the sale of an old refrigerator. :roll:

However...I would say that based on the people I know that it has been about 25% against and 75% for. My local church was about 70% for and 30% against. But all of those against left and now we're at 100% for the change.

ichthus · Postby **ichthus** » March 13th, 2008, 9:15 am

RamboPreacher wrote:My previous wife is alive as well as my first wife and the wife that bore my children is attending our church (attends my Sunday School class by choice and is one of my best students!), so very much alive.

This sounds like it involves 3 or 4 different women. Am I reading this correctly?

Postby **Pastor Gary** » March 13th, 2008, 9:24 am

ichthus wrote:
RamboPreacher wrote:My previous wife is alive as well as my first wife and the wife that bore my children is attending our church (attends my Sunday School class by choice and is one of my best students!), so very much alive.

This sounds like it involves 3 or 4 different women. Am I reading this correctly?

Mr. Rambo is, indeed, a serial monogamist. :wink:

RamboPreacher · Postby **RamboPreacher** » March 13th, 2008, 9:28 am

Pastor Gary wrote:
ichthus wrote:
RamboPreacher wrote:My previous wife is alive as well as my first wife and the wife that bore my children is attending our church (attends my Sunday School class by choice and is one of my best students!), so very much alive.

This sounds like it involves 3 or 4 different women. Am I reading this correctly?

Mr. Rambo is, indeed, a serial monogamist.

I have been a bachelor a few times, yes. :shock:

I have nothing to hide, though I am not proud of my past. in a bit of defense, though - I have ALWAYS been a one-woman kind of man ("mias gynaikos andra" as PG alluded).

PastorDaniel · Postby **PastorDaniel** » March 13th, 2008, 9:58 am

http://www.cogop.org/250337.ihtml

Attention...To ALL of you who keep saying that the COGOP does not have a definition of one man one woman marriages or about the family...please see the above link!

one love · Postby **one love** » March 13th, 2008, 10:02 am

Matt 5:32

32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
KJV
Matt 19:9

9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
KJV
Mark 10:11-12

11 And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her.

12 And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.
KJV
Rom 7:3

3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
KJV

If one according to the bible not me marries one that is married commiteth adultery so long as the other companion liveth. If one needs to repent of a sin, it is still a sin after repentance like any other sin.
If you lie it is a sin, you repent you are forgiven but you do not remain lying. If one is a drunkard and is saved he cant remain a drunkard. If one is a homosexual and is saved he is forgiven but cant remain a homosexual. You ask who made it a perpetual sin, I ask who made it different then any other sin. Which sin can you do , repent then remain in that sin.
If it needs repentance it is sin, repenting does not make it not sin. I am just going by the word, I have many of family in this state as well and mean no harshness at all. If anyone would rather me not respond on this I will refrain.
May God Bless you

what is the cogop belief on this now? Is any situation of D/R now allowed to be a member? Just curious.

Sherry · Postby **Sherry** » March 13th, 2008, 10:12 am

*banging head up against desk* :roll:

I can't believe that this has been brought back from the dead..... :roll:

Please people, this topic has been dragged, smeared, drowned, hanged, smashed, twisted, wrung, & trampled so much that don't you think it's time to let it die a semi-honorable death? :roll:

*stepping off soapbox* Now I have a headache, see what banging your head on a desk does? :lol:

RamboPreacher · Postby **RamboPreacher** » March 13th, 2008, 10:13 am

one love wrote:...

what is the cogop belief on this now? Is any situation of D/R now allowed to be a member? Just curious.

already posted on the previous page
http://www.cogop.org/250337.ihtml

Marriage
We believe God, not man, created marriage. We believe marriage was the first institution designed by God. We believe the Bible teaches that the covenant of marriage is sacred and life long. The Bible makes it clear that marriage is a legally binding public declaration of commitment and a private consummation between one man and one woman, never between the same sex. Therefore, we believe God gives a wife to a husband and a husband to a wife, and they are to receive one another as God’s unique and personal provision to help meet their mutual needs.

"D&R" is not an issue for church covenantal membership. that was agreed on, a couple GA's ago. Salvation, and the fruits thereof, in short is the one and only prerequisite, per New Testament teaching.

Postby **Pastor Gary** » March 13th, 2008, 10:19 am

one love wrote:If one according to the bible not me marries one that is married commiteth adultery so long as the other companion liveth. If one needs to repent of a sin, it is still a sin after repentance like any other sin.
If you lie it is a sin, you repent you are forgiven but you do not remain lying. If one is a drunkard and is saved he cant remain a drunkard. If one is a homosexual and is saved he is forgiven but cant remain a homosexual. You ask who made it a perpetual sin, I ask who made it different then any other sin. Which sin can you do , repent then remain in that sin.

If you bear false witness, and it causes someone to lose their life, you can repent of the lie and they are still dead. Are you, then, guilty of sinning every day they remain dead?

Breaking a marriage covenant kills a marriage. You can repent of breaking that covenant, and even "reconcile" (as Rambo did with his ex) as far as possible (ask forgiveness) but you compound the initial sin by encouraging people in a second marriage to break yet another covenant, abandon their children, and climb into the casket of a dead marriage.

I know... I am trying to stay out of this one...

one love · Postby **one love** » March 13th, 2008, 10:19 am

YellowRose wrote:*banging head up against desk*

I can't believe that this has been brought back from the dead.....

Please people, this topic has been dragged, smeared, drowned, hanged, smashed, twisted, wrung, & trampled so much that don't you think it's time to let it die a semi-honorable death?

*stepping off soapbox* Now I have a headache, see what banging your head on desk does?

sorry yellow rose I have only been here for a few months. Forgive me for you having to bang your head on the desk :wink:

I will leave this alone......

Rambo thank you may God bless you Brother.

Postby **Pastor Gary** » March 13th, 2008, 10:22 am

Jude 2