Anonymous income poll

[deb]

You don't need to post a response to answer the poll anonymously.

...and that the word "PRIVATE" in "Private Message" is a relative term that doesn't apply to those who maintain and manage forums.

How can we be sure that "ANONYMOUSLY" as in "anonymous poll" is a relative term that doesn't apply to those who maintain and manage forums, and that if we make a large sum, we won't be tracked down and invited to someone else's church?

[one love]

You don't need to post a response to answer the poll anonymously.

...and that the word "PRIVATE" in "Private Message" is a relative term that doesn't apply to those who maintain and manage forums.

How can we be sure that "ANONYMOUSLY" as in "anonymous poll" is a relative term that doesn't apply to those who maintain and manage forums, and that if we make a large sum, we won't be tracked down and invited to someone else's church?

you havent recieved a invitation yet? i have had 6 pm's already....kidding

[Pastor Gary]

You don't need to post a response to answer the poll anonymously.

...and that the word "PRIVATE" in "Private Message" is a relative term that doesn't apply to those who maintain and manage forums.

How can we be sure that "ANONYMOUSLY" as in "anonymous poll" is a relative term that doesn't apply to those who maintain and manage forums, and that if we make a large sum, we won't be tracked down and invited to someone else's church?

Because I have integrity. If you read the "Welcome to Jude2" sticky/announcement that stays at the top of the page clearly informs all that PM's can be read by Admins, and gives the reason why. No such disclaimer is given about polls.

[Kevin]

just out of curiousity do another poll for personal income not household

yea. unfortunately, that is how I read this poll, and can't change my vote now.

It wouldn't matter either way here. Kalei doesn't work. If she did with the jobs we have here, she would only make baby sitter money.

[Susie Hamilton]

This kind of goes in both this thread and the original Stimulus Rebate Thread, but For a couple filing jointly ,the amount is $75K * 2 or $150K even if only 1 is working.

the $75K is only for single people. Now, I am pretty confident that a single person making $75K is doing alright, and a couple make $150K is doing alright! And, would be considered upper middle class.

Now, I am not saying that I am for all this redistribution of wealth. I'm for all rebates of taxes, but not rebates of taxes not paid!

Pastor Daryl

a single person making 75 k could have a family and that does not mean they are upper middle class at all. Upper middle class is surely over 100k again upper middle class is those who could afford to at least buy a new home. Those that can afford 450k on a home are not rich but upper middle class.
it is relaitve to where you live. Come here and a apartment with 2 bedroms is going to be around 1200-1400 a month. Add a car payment to that, child care, groceries, etc.............. and TAXES. Now a house if a whole different story.

if you can buy a home that is 1mil and up you are rich but wealthy is again another bracket.

I don't know where you live, but around here someone who buys a $450,000 home is WELL on the Upperside of middle class, cut that in about 3rds and you're hitting middle class around here!

well where i live a new home really starts in the mid to high 450s for the most part they are over 600k and many and most new homes in va beach are 700k and up to 25 million so i guess we are in different worlds.
IN some areas in va beach the lot alone is over 600k

if i bought a house for 479k i would be upper middle class but certainly not rich.

The problem in this area is that the contractors are building homes that are out of the price range of most people who live around here and they are not selling. I live about a mile from the airport and have a ranch style 4 b/r,2 full bath with 2 car detached garage and am nowhere near those prices and I live in a decent area in Norfolk.

[dbserv]

66 votes and I'm in the bottom 9 yet I'm trying to live with a CA cost of living. No wonder I feel like I'm always treading water and never going anywhere.


We both work and it takes more than 2 weeks of my pay to just pay our rent, let alone a house payment.

And, we have one of the least expensive duplexes in the area!!!



Oh well. This is where God wants us and He is our PROVIDER!!!


At least we don't eat near what we used to so we can still buy gas.

[RamboPreacher]

...Oh well. This is where God wants us and He is our PROVIDER!!!

ding, ding, ding!!! I'm ready, I'm ready, I'm ready!

not that I am not where God has directed, cause I know I am, but I also know where wants me. God is my source, not my 5-2 job (no matter how much the "evil empire" pays me)

[Pastor Bill]

I know that in some areas (of course Hawaii is one of them, and VA beach would be as well, BUT I think if you looked at more of a national average, the amounts would be lower than what the two of you face.

[one love]

pastorbill i understand what you are saying but no where in the u.s. is 75 rich and wealthy. you cant buy a mansion and a benz and never lack. You will not have 900k in the bank etc that is my point it is not rich. By all standards this is fact, you may feel rich is something different but by all meaning of being financially wealthy 75k is not it.
your not poor by any means but with a family and being a household income you can still struggle in many states.

[TW]

pastorbill i understand what you are saying but no where in the u.s. is 75 rich and wealthy. you cant buy a mansion and a benz and never lack. You will not have 900k in the bank etc that is my point it is not rich. By all standards this is fact, you may feel rich is something different but by all meaning of being financially wealthy 75k is not it.
your not poor by any means but with a family and being a household income you can still struggle in many states.

Try telling the people in Appalachia that.


TW

[one love]

pastorbill i understand what you are saying but no where in the u.s. is 75 rich and wealthy. you cant buy a mansion and a benz and never lack. You will not have 900k in the bank etc that is my point it is not rich. By all standards this is fact, you may feel rich is something different but by all meaning of being financially wealthy 75k is not it.
your not poor by any means but with a family and being a household income you can still struggle in many states.

Try telling the people in Appalachia that.


TW

with all due respect i would tell anyone in america that. I dont know anywhere you could be wealthy and rich off of this income. if you could e very lawyer, doctor, physician assistant, some nurses, some firemen are rich and wealthy. It just is not the case. Wealthy ....nevermind i guess your thought of rich is different then most. i respect that
75k times 4 is at most 300k home is that a mansion

[DaJudge]

Wealthy ....nevermind i guess your thought of rich is different then most. i respect that

I think you hit upon something there. Wealth is all in the eye of the beholder. A person making 75K definitely won't think of themselves as wealthy, but the guy living in the trailer in West Virginia will think that guy is rich.

But turn that around... a guy in Calcutta or Somalia would think the guy in the trailer in West Virginia is rich because he has food to eat and a roof over his head.

[one love]

Wealthy ....nevermind i guess your thought of rich is different then most. i respect that

I think you hit upon something there. Wealth is all in the eye of the beholder. A person making 75K definitely won't think of themselves as wealthy, but the guy living in the trailer in West Virginia will think that guy is rich.

But turn that around... a guy in Calcutta or Somalia would think the guy in the trailer in West Virginia is rich because he has food to eat and a roof over his head.

i agree with that for sure, this is why i said the u.s. Most in the u.s. feel the rich are the one in big houses nice cars money stacked up, etc i know ya know what i mean. I know doctors who i dont feel are rich, surely they make over 150k but they are not rich in my opinion, same as some lawyers i am friends with that work in the biggest firm in va, one was a partner prob makes 250k plus i say that is upper middle class. rich to me is living in or having the abolity to easily buy a million plus dollar home with no restrictions.
I used to feel when i was 19 that 40k would be well off and i could do so much with that, boy was i wrong. If my wife went back to work some here would say i was rich i guess but i am far from it and far from being well off

I am making now what we used to combined and i plan to make much more with the help of the Lord. There is so much i would love to do, most of you would be shocked to know what that would be. God knows my heart

[Pastor Bill]

Somehow this conversation jumped from Upper part of middle class to filthy rich.

Yes I know nowhere in the US is $75,000 a year going to mean rich, but in most places it is on the upper side of the middle class spectrum.

[deb]

I think the more you make - the more you spend - higher bills and so forth. So even the ones who live in the bigger house with the bigger car do not consider themselves rich, but are also trying to make ends meet.