church fight over pastor

[one love]

Daniel they were both wrong but he is wrong in two really bad ways.

1. he is the minister an example and he wanted more, he wanted to fight
2. HE HIT A WOMAN, how does that not outrage you. That is just horrible even if she slapped him. She slaps him and he punches her that is awful, sorry I dont buy the "knee jerk reaction" even when I was a sinner i would not hit a woman. That is me but she was wrong as well and just as ungodly but he was the example, the sheperd and he punched her. Someones mom, husband etc. and old lady.

He should have went and called the police. Then he would have a leg to stand on. We are all to be held to the same standard but he as a minister is to be the example.

Kevin....Just to clarify.....have you read the multiple times that I have now said "they were both wrong?"...Just curious....

I'll say it again....they were both wrong....I feel the same as you for the most part....you just keep jumping on the "he hit a woman" bandwagon and I keep pointing out that "she hit her pastor" BOTH were severe offences and NEITHER are worse than the other....they both need to repent.

Bandwagon? I havent said a whole lot about it, but yes they are both wrong but I surely feel he is more wrong (in my eyes) for punching a lady, sorry that is my opinion , not that one is more wrong before God but by me. Any man that hits a woman gets no respect from me.
I have read all your post and it seems that you have said that

....but it seems to me that woman needed a smack up side the head!! She probably would have been one of the ones that Jesus horse-whipped in the Temple!! We forget about that sometimes.

I disagree and I feel if a man cant take a slap from a woman and walk away he is not a man. There is no justifyable reason for him to punch her , that is not to justify her but to show that he was a weak man for doing such a thing. This is touchy for me, hitting woman does not play well in my mind period.

[Sherry]

I'm not saying it's right....but it seems to me that woman needed a smack up side the head!! She probably would have been one of the ones that Jesus horse-whipped in the Temple!! We forget about that sometimes.

Wow, I watched the video, and read all the posts here and I have to say I'm quite shocked at this statement. I cannot believe anyone would think it would be ok to hit a woman.

Just remind me never to tick you off.

[TW]

one love,
While I will agree with most of your views on this, I cannot say point blank that it is always wrong for a man to hit a woman. Case in point, I once knew a woman that was never by any stretch of the imagination a lady. She could out curse, out drink and out fight most of the men that I knew. On one occasion I personally witnessed her snatch a 260 lb. man off of his feet, lift him over her head and then body slam him on a concrete floor because she was mad at him. There are simply to many factors involved to make a hard fast rule like that. I agree that a man should never strike a "lady". But when does she stop being a lady and become a threat?


TW

[JanB]

I'm not saying it's right....but it seems to me that woman needed a smack up side the head!! She probably would have been one of the ones that Jesus horse-whipped in the Temple!! We forget about that sometimes.

Wow, I watched the video, and read all the posts here and I have to say I'm quite shocked at this statement. I cannot believe anyone would think it would be ok to hit a woman.

Just remind me never to tick you off.

YR, I totally agree. I would hope his female members sit quitely and NEVER speak until they have received permission to do so. I'm sure it was a moment of anger on both sides...but hit, NEVER!

[pastorables]

one love,
While I will agree with most of your views on this, I cannot say point blank that it is always wrong for a man to hit a woman. Case in point, I once knew a woman that was never by any stretch of the imagination a lady. She could out curse, out drink and out fight most of the men that I knew. On one occasion I personally witnessed her snatch a 260 lb. man off of his feet, lift him over her head and then body slam him on a concrete floor because she was mad at him. There are simply to many factors involved to make a hard fast rule like that. I agree that a man should never strike a "lady". But when does she stop being a lady and become a threat?


TW

TW,

This is a most excellent point. Likewise, I have witnessed married couples where the woman acted more brawny and the man acted more finesse. This could also lead into cops who are challenged in specific situations to rough up women in the line of duty. I love your "lady" example.

pa

[one love]

TW the Lady comment is a good point but i am refering to this situaition this old lady was no threat, just to his ego and pride. I do understand what you are saying and I know a cop that was thrown all around a house by a woman so I know what you mean. I am standing firm that a man should not hit a lady, if a man can not take a slap without punching a woman he has issues. Now that is by wordly standards how much more should a minister be able to be slapped and walk away?

[stevenson]

I'll stand by my comment. It's wrong for anybody to hit! Wether it's man, woman, or child...hitting is not permitted except for self-defense.

My honest opinion of the video. The hurch board wanted a fight. Why else would the camera's be rolling? Somebody set that up and the pastor fell for it.

dawgs10 wrote:

if that was my wife first punch or not the man would be on the ground.

I do agree with you there. Although I think violence is wrong, I do believe that we have a responsibility to protect our family. My objection was to the pastor saying "let him go, let him go". I had no objection to the man coming to her defense because it may have been her husband.

[Alan]

I'm not saying it's right....but it seems to me that woman needed a smack up side the head!! She probably would have been one of the ones that Jesus horse-whipped in the Temple!! We forget about that sometimes.

Wow, I watched the video, and read all the posts here and I have to say I'm quite shocked at this statement. I cannot believe anyone would think it would be ok to hit a woman.

Just remind me never to tick you off.

Many of us were taught to never hit a lady. A lady and a woman are two totally different things. I don't believe in hitting anyone, but I will if forced to. When I worked as a jailer I didn't have many people want to fight just because of my size. I have to say that the women that were brought in were often meaner than the men.

I think you are reading too much into what Pastor Daniel said. I believe he's like most of us here. If a woman starts swinging, we'll do whatever is necessary to subdue her.

TW the Lady comment is a good point but i am refering to this situaition this old lady was no threat, just to his ego and pride. I do understand what you are saying and I know a cop that was thrown all around a house by a woman so I know what you mean. I am standing firm that a man should not hit a lady, if a man can not take a slap without punching a woman he has issues. Now that is by wordly standards how much more should a minister be able to be slapped and walk away?

I've seen a "little old lady" pin a guy twice her size, not that I'm trying to justify what the pastor did, but you can't judge by age and size. If they had of turned them loose you might have been surprised at the outcome.

[PastorDaniel]

Pastor Daniels wrote:

P.S. singular quotes out of context are how rumors get started.

Put it in context or take it out. What you said displays the mindset of why we have abuse shelters for women. There's no way you can make right what you said regardless of how much context you use.

Your comment was that the woman needed someone to smack her upside her head. Justify it all you want. It makes you look like a cad. Your words say that she needed to be "corrected" for her bad behavior.

The ONLY time it is acceptable to hit a woman is in self-defense. This was not the case here. He was not defending himself....he was avenging himself.

I would have said the same thing if he had hit a man.

You are trying to make me look like something I'm NOT. I personally work with DFACS and see this tragedy all the time and it is very sad, tragic, and unacceptable.

YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT MY MINDSET IS IN REGARDS TO THIS....but I'll tell ya...my Father tried to kill my mother when I was a boy....and to accuse me of supporting abuse on women is a very serious allegation and I take it very personal.

Site Admin or not....you are wrong...very wrong....for trying to classify me like this in regards to ONE statement that was directed at this SPECIFIC situation!!!

It's the mindset of people like you that cause all kinds of trouble. This is supposed to be a place to have fun and joke...serious or not.

MY STATEMENT ONLY REFERRED TO THIS SITUATION WHERE THIS PASTOR WAS HIT BY THIS WOMAN.

You need to quit being oversensitive! And leave things in the discussion that they are in.

[PastorDaniel]

This post and some on my comments have been taken in a direction that was never intended.

In my mind we were specifically talking about this pastor being hit by his trustee(who happened to be a woman)

I won't be back on this thread....I may not be back on this discussion forum.

I am very offended that some of you would take me out of context and try to make me look like something I'm not.

My mother was the victim of spousal abuse and we had to run for our lives when I was a child.

As an adult, I have personally drove from Texas to Georgia in one day in order to rescue my mother from her abusive husband.

I take this issue very seriously and in my mind this is not what we were discussing.

My whole point is that SIN is SIN, she hit him, he hit her....both were wrong...NO sin is greater than the other. Little sin or big sin will send you to hell.

Some of you need to lighten up and read things in the context that they were writen......PERIOD!!

[scooter]

I take it very personal.

Site Admin or not....you are wrong...very wrong....for trying to classify me like this in regards to ONE statement that was directed at this SPECIFIC situation!!!

It's the mindset of people like you that cause all kinds of trouble. This is supposed to be a place to have fun and joke...serious or not.

MY STATEMENT ONLY REFERRED TO THIS SITUATION WHERE THIS PASTOR WAS HIT BY THIS WOMAN.

You need to quit being oversensitive! And leave things in the discussion that they are in.

Response: Careful. If I say I hate homosexuals, that pretty much says it all in WHATEVER CONTEXT. If you say a woman "needed slapping" you might want to assess it's delivery a bit more carefully.

Like Shellie said, self defense is different than revenge or correction.

YOU might want to realize the difference and back off or just continue to look stupid, at least to all the ladies here.

[scooter]

I won't be back on this thread....I may not be back on this discussion forum.

!

Response: Disregard my previous response then, unless your just politicing for pity about sticking sticking your foot in your mouth.

[MacUser]

wanted a fight. Why else would the camera's be rolling? Somebody set that up and the pastor fell for it.

Bingo. Setup. I agree it ALL was wrong.. but everyone standing there was still human and still being human.. can be pushed to far regardless of position and over react without any long term bearings on anyones character or heart.

It's all about power, position and politics. If these people would focus on reaching the community instead of reflecting it they might actually have a future.

[Shellie]

Pastor Daniel,

I'm not trying to paint a picture of you. Your own words convict you.

I'm not saying it's right....but it seems to me that woman needed a smack up side the head!! She probably would have been one of the ones that Jesus horse-whipped in the Temple!! We forget about that sometimes.

She slapped a man. She was wrong. So are you for your suggestion of how she should have been dealt with.

You can froth and foam about me all you want. You look silly doing it and trying to justify what you said and then make it look like it's my fault for making it something it is not is just as silly.

If you work with domestic situations then I feel for the woman that comes to you who has been horse whipped because she "NEEDED" it.

If you didn't "mean" it the way it is being understood and received, then apologize and say you chose the wrong choice of words. If you meant it, then at least be a man and stand behind it regardless of what anyone else thought.

[Alan]

Pastor Daniel,

I'm not trying to paint a picture of you. Your own words convict you.

I'm not saying it's right....but it seems to me that woman needed a smack up side the head!! She probably would have been one of the ones that Jesus horse-whipped in the Temple!! We forget about that sometimes.

She slapped a man. She was wrong. So are you for your suggestion of how she should have been dealt with.

You can froth and foam about me all you want. You look silly doing it and trying to justify what you said and then make it look like it's my fault for making it something it is not is just as silly.

If you work with domestic situations then I feel for the woman that comes to you who has been horse whipped because she "NEEDED" it.

If you didn't "mean" it the way it is being understood and received, then apologize and say you chose the wrong choice of words. If you meant it, then at least be a man and stand behind it regardless of what anyone else thought.

How about letting me rephrase it for him. All of the trustees probably needed a smack upside the head, and Jesus probably would have got all of them in the Temple. And with the pastors response, he probably needed a smack upside the head and would have fell into that group in the Temple as well.

While I think Pastor Daniel's choice of words could have been better, he got the point across, at least to me.