Joyce Meyers 23,000$ Luxury Item and WOF excesses

[Gerald Creasy]

Appears that other are making Gerald's list.....I don't feel so lonely anymore. This is not really pointed to Gerald., but rather a statement. I am not asking anyone to agree with me, doesn't matter.

For myself there is a simple rule of Faith: the only reality God recognises is His Word. What He says is, is; what He says is not, is not.

God does not bend His word to suit the circumstances ( mine or Gerald's or anyone's ), He compels the circumstances, the entire universe and it conforms to His word.

Abraham recognized this and aligned himself with it, Stood fast on the Word of God, did not consider the natural reality ( old body) And the promise became a reality.

If I recognize the absolute integrity and irrestible force of God's word, seek to discover that Word and then to proclaim it, knowing that the WORD has the same creative power when I speak it.

I/m not debating this, it is my conviction and I boldly declare the WORD of GOD and speak healing, deliverence, restoration as I understand the WORD OF GOD. Some say I am nameing and claiming it. I prefer to see myself as making a declaration of the Word Of God and Its power and not being given to the circumstances around me.

Be blessed......I am on my way to the mission field for a few weeks.

What do you mean you "seek to discover that Word "?

Is it hidden to you? Do you not own a Bible?

What is the "word of God" to you?

What do you mean you "boldly declare the WORD of GOD and speak healing"?

What do you mean you "speak healing"?
Where are you told in the Bible to Speak Healing????

You made the statement before that if someone were to stand up and -pridefully in you estimation- STOP someone from preaching Jesus was not God...that doing such would "derail someones faith" and a "miracle would be defeated"

Can you explain to me HOW exactly faith can be built when it's not even important to preach Jesus is God??
Can you explain to me how a FAITH in a Jesus who was NOT God can EVEN be the WORD OF GOD????

IT IS NO WONDER you do not wish to "debate" it: It is just "believe and you'll get it" witchcraft dressed in Bible clothes.

You have no answers but your OWN pride and self-Righteous satisfaction.

You deny you are not influenced by Kenyon yet everything you say aligns perfectly with his witchcraft: You have all the methods and phraseology.

How do you differ?

[paul]

Appears that other are making Gerald's list.....I don't feel so lonely anymore. This is not really pointed to Gerald., but rather a statement. I am not asking anyone to agree with me, doesn't matter.

For myself there is a simple rule of Faith: the only reality God recognises is His Word. What He says is, is; what He says is not, is not.

God does not bend His word to suit the circumstances ( mine or Gerald's or anyone's ), He compels the circumstances, the entire universe and it conforms to His word.

Abraham recognized this and aligned himself with it, Stood fast on the Word of God, did not consider the natural reality ( old body) And the promise became a reality.

If I recognize the absolute integrity and irrestible force of God's word, seek to discover that Word and then to proclaim it, knowing that the WORD has the same creative power when I speak it.

I/m not debating this, it is my conviction and I boldly declare the WORD of GOD and speak healing, deliverence, restoration as I understand the WORD OF GOD. Some say I am nameing and claiming it. I prefer to see myself as making a declaration of the Word Of God and Its power and not being given to the circumstances around me.

Be blessed......I am on my way to the mission field for a few weeks.

What do you mean you "seek to discover that Word "?

Is it hidden to you? Do you not own a Bible?

What is the "word of God" to you?

What do you mean you "boldly declare the WORD of GOD and speak healing"?

What do you mean you "speak healing"?
Where are you told in the Bible to Speak Healing????

You made the statement before that if someone were to stand up and -pridefully in you estimation- STOP someone from preaching Jesus was not God...that doing such would "derail someones faith" and a "miracle would be defeated"

Can you explain to me HOW exactly faith can be built when it's not even important to preach Jesus is God??
Can you explain to me how a FAITH in a Jesus who was NOT God can EVEN be the WORD OF GOD????

IT IS NO WONDER you do not wish to "debate" it: It is just "believe and you'll get it" witchcraft dressed in Bible clothes.

You have no answers but your OWN pride and self-Righteous satisfaction.

You deny you are not influenced by Kenyon yet everything you say aligns perfectly with his witchcraft: You have all the methods and phraseology.

How do you differ?

Gerald, I would expect no less from you......You amaze me.....You very well know the answers to your own questions you ask. Like I said, I'll keep doing what I do...prayerfully souls will get saved, people will be set free, miracles will happen all in the precious name of Jesus Christ the one and only tue living God. I will continue to speak the Word of healing over them " Isa. 53.. By His stripes you are healed...

I quess that is cultic to you... that I have the audasity to believe that I can speak the Word and declare healing for someone. Of course you can't see that.... That I actually believe the Word of God and Stand on it and refuse to be drawn into the dispare of the circumstances around me like you have allowed to happen in your life.

You seem to think you have a market on the interpretation of the Word of God. Your understanding is the only one....One thing is certain above all else, you do not have, nor carry the spirit of the Word in your heart....because the word said that the mouth speeketh from the abundance of the heart...And we know what your mouth speaks.

[pastorables]

One thing is certain above all else, you do not have, nor carry the spirit of the Word in your heart....because the word said that the mouth speeketh from the abundance of the heart...And we know what your mouth speaks.

Paul,

With all due respect, and I have great admiration for you and your ministry, the above borders upon a judgment reserved only to God. As your friend, please rethink and reword accordingly.

Blessings,
pa

[Gerald Creasy]

Gerald, I would expect no less from you......You amaze me.....You very well know the answers to your own questions you ask. Like I said, I'll keep doing what I do...prayerfully souls will get saved, people will be set free, miracles will happen all in the precious name of Jesus Christ the one and only tue living God. I will continue to speak the Word of healing over them " Isa. 53.. By His stripes you are healed...

I quess that is cultic to you... that I have the audasity to believe that I can speak the Word and declare healing for someone. Of course you can't see that.... That I actually believe the Word of God and Stand on it and refuse to be drawn into the dispare of the circumstances around me like you have allowed to happen in your life.

You seem to think you have a market on the interpretation of the Word of God. Your understanding is the only one....One thing is certain above all else, you do not have, nor carry the spirit of the Word in your heart....because the word said that the mouth speeketh from the abundance of the heart...And we know what your mouth speaks.

No. No I do not KNOW the answers.

Ever since you have come on here I have asked.

And I have asked you.

ANd I have badgered you.

I have then insulted you attempting to provoke an answer.

You NEVER give an answer: Just self righteous condemnation and then "I'm off to feed the 5000...don't you want to TOUCH me!???"

[paul]

One thing is certain above all else, you do not have, nor carry the spirit of the Word in your heart....because the word said that the mouth speeketh from the abundance of the heart...And we know what your mouth speaks.

Paul,

With all due respect, and I have great admiration for you and your ministry, the above borders upon a judgment reserved only to God. As your friend, please rethink and reword accordingly.

Blessings,
pa

pa, it is not a judgement it is a statement that is based on the words that have come forth. Judgement would be me damning someone to hell over the words that come forth. That has not been done nor would I. It is a challenge put forth for him to rethink and consider what comes forth and to examine his heart before he speaks in light of the scripture.

Reworded

In my oponion I feel the Spirit of Love, compassion, longsuffering, kindness are generally not a part of the words that come forth from your mouth when you speak. That concerns me, because the word says that from the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.

[Jamais Vu]

And a 23, 000 luxury item is a 23,000 luxury item.

This one held in a special place while people that live payceck to paycheck are being pumped to give more.

Shouldnt the fault be with the people who are willing to send their money....afterall they are the ones who control where they send their money. If people were dumb enough to send me money to talk to them about a book anyone can read, i would have a hard time not accepting.

[Jamais Vu]

One thing is certain above all else, you do not have, nor carry the spirit of the Word in your heart....because the word said that the mouth speeketh from the abundance of the heart...And we know what your mouth speaks.

You are not God, yet out of your mouth comes a claim to know someone elses heart condition, which is a bit extreme considering this is an internet message board.

We all live a life a luxury anyways, since we are piddling around on the internet nearly everyday getting into petty ego contests.

[Gerald Creasy]

Shouldnt the fault be with the people who are willing to send their money....afterall they are the ones who control where they send their money.

YES. Them too. Many, however, do so because they believe the lie.

[paul]

One thing is certain above all else, you do not have, nor carry the spirit of the Word in your heart....because the word said that the mouth speeketh from the abundance of the heart...And we know what your mouth speaks.

You are not God, yet out of your mouth comes a claim to know someone elses heart condition, which is a bit extreme considering this is an internet message board.

We all live a life a luxury anyways, since we are piddling around on the internet nearly everyday getting into petty ego contests.

Jer. 17:9, 10 The heart [is] deceitful above all [things], and desperately wicked: who can know it?
I the LORD search the heart, [I] try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, [and] according to the fruit of his doings.

It is not the heart that is being judged, as the word say no man can know it But God alone. It is the words that proceeded from the mouth that we are known by:

Matt 23:33Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.
34O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.35A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.

Words are a reflection of what is in the heart.

Prov 23:6,7 Eat thou not the bread of [him that hath] an evil eye, neither desire thou his dainty meats:
For as he thinketh in his heart, so [is] he: Eat and drink, saith he to thee; but his heart [is] not with thee.

This is true for all of us, no one is exempt.

[pastorables]

Reworded:

In my oponion I feel the Spirit of Love, compassion, longsuffering, kindness are generally not a part of the words that come forth from your mouth when you speak. That concerns me, because the word says that from the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.

Paul,

I am just a friend. It was not my intention to act as a moderator of the general board, which I am not. I apologize if I misunderstood the intent of the first wording. The revised statement has much more clarity and makes me feel better.

Blessings,
pa

[EagerBeaver]

One thing is certain above all else, you do not have, nor carry the spirit of the Word in your heart....because the word said that the mouth speeketh from the abundance of the heart...And we know what your mouth speaks.

You are not God, yet out of your mouth comes a claim to know someone elses heart condition, which is a bit extreme considering this is an internet message board.

We all live a life a luxury anyways, since we are piddling around on the internet nearly everyday getting into petty ego contests.

All joking aside, what do we gain in discussions like this when people have such staunch positions and don't budge an inch?

[pastorables]

Your last sentence there reminds me of a picture I saw on a friend's blog the other day, to which I will hotlink...

All joking aside,

Eager,

Not that you care about my opinion, but I find joking with concern to the challenges of others to be distasteful. For the record, I will not vote for your bid to gain the presidency.

pa

[EagerBeaver]

Your last sentence there reminds me of a picture I saw on a friend's blog the other day, to which I will hotlink...

All joking aside,

Eager,

Not that you care about my opinion, but I find joking with concern to the challenges of others to be distasteful. For the record, I will not vote for your bid to gain the presidency.

pa

I actually do care...and I have removed the offending image. I apologize.

[pastorables]

I actually do care...and I have removed the offending image. I apologize.

You have great integrity. My vote has been restored.

[paul]

Reworded:

In my oponion I feel the Spirit of Love, compassion, longsuffering, kindness are generally not a part of the words that come forth from your mouth when you speak. That concerns me, because the word says that from the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.

Paul,

I am just a friend. It was not my intention to act as a moderator of the general board, which I am not. I apologize if I misunderstood the intent of the first wording. The revised statement has much more clarity and makes me feel better.

Blessings,
pa

PA, I did not take any offense at all... I am not one to be easily offended...

as to EagerBever, Even when we hold very staunch views that differ, we are a christian forum...I view it as much more than just an internet gathering or message board.

Iron sharpens Iron. Prayerfully we help one another at least look at someones elses view, interpretation ( whether we agree or not) with a bit more understanding...Also sometimes in our conversations things are revealed and they allow us to check our own heart, and the Spirit in which we communicate..not only to fellow christains but to those outside the Community of Believers. And possibly areas that are revealed that we can take to the Lord in prayer on behalf of someone.

I realize that many times our conversations overlap the topic forum. I am probably more than a ittle guilty there. Possible because I view our approach to departmentalizing with much frustration. Another topic at another time...