Is training still required/offered for camp counselors?

[one love]

IYC was a "gift" that was given to the "best" camper. Most never came back to work in a camp afterward.......same was true in Tennessee while I was a camper.

We had camp that far back? Was Moses your cabin leader? If so, did you wander around trying to find the cafeteria for 40 years?

Thank God it's not like that with IYC any more in TN. We actually don't choose anyone that hasn't already started working in the camping system. We got burned on that a few times.

As far as the law suit part goes, I absolutely agree. I do know for the last four years IYC has tried to address that and Bro. McKinley did in our camp workers meetings.

The one issue that I haven't been able to get people to pay attention to is what would be our lock-down plan if someone were to enter our campground area with a weapon or a fugitive be in the area. If people haven't been noticing, the shootings have evolved. It seems that the shooters are choosing opportunities and location where they can close up a group of people (i.e. college dorms, college classrooms, open campuses).

you are to funny bro

[Dr. Ron]

Yep Jeff, there really was a "camp" .........and I mean a camp. You guys don't know anything about that kind of camp......tents...man just tents....tents for sleeping, classes, cooking, washing, just a shower house that flooded all the time.....nasty mess always.

Winds came knocked down the tents......clothes muddy.....

NOW THAT WAS CAMP!!!!

Moses was the director.......Billy Riggs ../..dean....YOu don't want that whole list of people.....it would traumatize you....

And your grandpa Jones............don't ask.........

[one love]

Yep Jeff, there really was a "camp" .........and I mean a camp. You guys don't know anything about that kind of camp......tents...man just tents....tents for sleeping, classes, cooking, washing, just a shower house that flooded all the time.....nasty mess always.

Winds came knocked down the tents......clothes muddy.....

NOW THAT WAS CAMP!!!!

Moses was the director.......Billy Riggs ../..dean....YOu don't want that whole list of people.....it would traumatize you....

And your grandpa Jones............don't ask.........

That is funny I am curious even without all the conveniences
how was the services then? Just wondering.

[DaJudge]

See.......people didn't use their "stimulus" checks for the right reasons....I knew they would blow that money on toys.......new phones,.....and junk.

I know of at least 1 couple that didnt blow theirs. My parents. They are sending 5 of their grandchildren to camps this year. Props to them.

People show where their priorities are with how they spend their money. Thumbs up to your parents Paully!

[MrDanger]

i do think that there should be more training much beyond iyc because it is who you are or who you know kind of a thing in iyc.

Why didn't you go to IYC? Anyone can go. It's not who you know, its are you willing to pay. States offer scholarships. If you don't get one, then pay and go. Ball is in your court.

Did you work camp this year? If so, then you qualify to be chosen. If you didn't work camp, then IYC wasn't for you anyway. It's for those that are going to work camp.

[Pastor Gary]

The one issue that I haven't been able to get people to pay attention to is what would be our lock-down plan if someone were to enter our campground area with a weapon or a fugitive be in the area. If people haven't been noticing, the shootings have evolved. It seems that the shooters are choosing opportunities and location where they can close up a group of people (i.e. college dorms, college classrooms, open campuses).

We have had camp in a location that was adjacent to --being delicate here -- a rough neighborhood, and have had some characters from said neighborhood wander onto the camp site cruising for cuties. Sometimes they were slightly intoxicated. I always had capable security on duty... some military guys who had served in Iraq were pretty effective deterrent, and one year I had a skinny street kid who confronted 4 walk-ons with "one at a time or all at once, doesn't matter to me... bring it..." They left.

[dawgs10]

i do think that there should be more training much beyond iyc because it is who you are or who you know kind of a thing in iyc.

Why didn't you go to IYC? Anyone can go. It's not who you know, its are you willing to pay. States offer scholarships. If you don't get one, then pay and go. Ball is in your court.

Did you work camp this year? If so, then you qualify to be chosen. If you didn't work camp, then IYC wasn't for you anyway. It's for those that are going to work camp.[


worked in camp. have my whole life. dont and never have cared alot about iyc. i was just making a observation. and i will clarify. the scholarships are more of a who ya are kind of thing. i know you are a big iyc fan. and i have heard a lot of good things about iyc. not trying to start anything with mrdanger. i just know that the same people seem to be chosen every year for scholarships. my not be 100% true but i am sure it is very close. atleast it seems that way. it would be nice if we had as much excitement about local ministry as we do iyc and youth camps, i guess is my thought.

[Dr. Ron]

The services were typical of the revival days of that era. Lots of guitars, drums, horns (Bro. Akers...Tennessee Brass Band) etc.

Lot's of rolling in the sawdust.....people called to preach (ask Scooter and Gerald about their dad on this one) and lots of hiding behind trees after service so we could go back to the altar the next night and start all over again.....again.....lol

[MrDanger]

not trying to start anything with mrdanger.

Didn't think you were. I'm not a hype person for IYC. I do know things were popularity based for a long time and know a lot of fluff happened (including the year I attended). It isn't that way any more. And they opened it up. However, what is typical on here is the "I wasn't chosen because I wasn't popular enough". IYC isn't the end all. People put it WAY too high up there. It has some great information, but not necessary information.

As far as the local work, if youth camps, IYC, etc are being used properly, it feeds your local work. It should be a tool to help you succeed in your ministry at the local level and a tool to help you accomplish your goals at the local level.

[Linda]

Yep Jeff, there really was a "camp" .........and I mean a camp. You guys don't know anything about that kind of camp......tents...man just tents....tents for sleeping, classes, cooking, washing, just a shower house that flooded all the time.....nasty mess always.

Winds came knocked down the tents......clothes muddy.....NOW THAT WAS CAMP!!!!

Moses was the director.......Billy Riggs ../..dean....YOu don't want that whole list of people.....it would traumatize you....

And your grandpa Jones............don't ask.........

Oh WOW! That sure brought back a lot of memories! The first or second year I went to TN camp a big storm came and split the girls tent and blew down the boys tent. All the boys sleep in the tabernacle and the girls sleep in Bro. Griffins (our SO at the time) house, which was across the street. I was in hog heaven cause I got to sleep in Tommy Griffins room!!!!

Ron, I remember going by a tree one night on the way to the dorm and saw a certain young couple!

[Pastor Bill]

I don't know how "down" the numbers were for kids, but we had a harder time getting staff this year I think. Gas prices was the excuse I heard.

[EagerBeaver]

I don't know how "down" the numbers were for kids, but we had a harder time getting staff this year I think. Gas prices was the excuse I heard.

I have heard from friends in a few states that camp staff and camper numbers are down significantly this year due to the gas prices. Very sad.

[MrDanger]

I know gas prices possibly paid a part, especially in states/territories where there is a ways to travel to get to the campground.

As someone that co-directs a camp, it has gotten harder and harder each year getting camp workers. Family, jobs, school are the main reasons we get. However, the biggest problem I have seen is that a lot of the kids that were in camps I worked are not returning to work in camps. That means people my age (late 20's to 30's) are pulling triple duty just to cover.

We desperately need ANYONE THAT LOVE YOUTH (no matter how old or young you are) to give of your time next year. Desperately!!!!

...and since that is the case, it sure would make it tough for people that aren't COGOP not to be allowed to work our camps. If COGOP won't support their youth, you have to find others to take their place.

[EagerBeaver]

I know gas prices possibly paid a part, especially in states/territories where there is a ways to travel to get to the campground.

As someone that co-directs a camp, it has gotten harder and harder each year getting camp workers. Family, jobs, school are the main reasons we get. However, the biggest problem I have seen is that a lot of the kids that were in camps I worked are not returning to work in camps. That means people my age (late 20's to 30's) are pulling triple duty just to cover.

We desperately need ANYONE THAT LOVE YOUTH (no matter how old or young you are) to give of your time next year. Desperately!!!!

...and since that is the case, it sure would make it tough for people that aren't COGOP not to be allowed to work our camps. If COGOP won't support their youth, you have to find others to take their place.

I'd actually take you up on the offer! I'm completely serious too. I love youth.

[MrDanger]

Sweet! Well I was talking in general but seriously remind me in the winter when I start finalizing my part of the staff.