Public plea to ban irthnvsl and related screen names

[Russell Roberts]

Good morning brother Tom. Gotta get my second cup of joe. I missed the fireworks last night but dang, it was interesting to read through. Wow, absolutely crazy. Lova ya bro.

[N.T. Wright Fan]

I, too, love a good cup of coffee!

My advice is to just let the whole "lynching" thing go.

There are some cool people here. As for the suspicious and conspiratoral folks, we can minister to them It will be fun!

[Mike Vande]

Maybe it is a play on words and they really are " a brother from another motha" I dont know. I know as moderator that the IP's can easily show who is who.

Pastor Gary is on record as believing NT Wright and irthnvesl are the same person because of the IP addresses. He even shut down the the NT Wright identity, at least for a while, because he believed they were the same person.

I am very confused that in one post they are claiming that someone stole his IP address and that is why and in another they say they all work together....

Obviously, you aren't the only one. Equally as obvious is the fact that irthnvesl/NT Wright is the source of the confusion, and it suits him right down to the ground.

I am told this person, whoever he is, comes to us from a site where his behavior is common. My source's integrity is impeccable, so I have to wonder how they accomplish anything approaching rational conversation. How does anyone know who they are talking to? And "pranking", as in making accusations of hacking sites to falsify information there, has to promote further confusion and undermine credibility. I find it weird that anyone would voluntarily be a part of such a maelstrom of confusion, especially the "pranking" bit. But "pranking" could be a very convenient, and obviously effective, tactic to exact revenge against someone who has argued you to a standstill, if that person were petty enough to employ it.

...the response to Pastor Gary's post, that is what bothers me. Also the post to Jennifer, again someone telling their heart and mocked for it.

The situation caused by this person should require his public censure at the very least, to show that his behavior will not be tolerated on this site. Otherwise, we can kiss any sort of rational discussion of anything goodbye, because then anyone can post anything they want about anyone else under any name they choose with impunity, as long as they have the technical savvy to make it happen.

I suggest we leave it up to him. If irthnvesl/NT Wright wants to remain, let him publically agree to curtail his pranking, remove any and all erroneous posts he has made, admit to and divest himself of any and all multiple sign-on names, apologize to the board in general and any individual he has 'pranked', mocked, and/or otherwise abused in specific, and behave himself in a manner that befits a Christian and the community of Christians on THIS site, not the ones he has been on before. If he won't agree to that, he is demonstrating he is not interested in being a contributive part of this community, and only wants to cause confusion and discord. That seems pretty fair, whether any of the sign-on names he's using actually exist or not.

[Russell Roberts]

Roger dat Tom.

From across the big pond.

[jinjer]

First, let me say that I think things have gotten a little out of hand with the ganging up on Irthenvesel. I agree with Shellie's observation.

Second, to Irthenvesel and N.T. Wright and whomever else is new here. I come to this board for a variety of reasons. I know many people on here personally and have met and made lifetime friends through this forum. It is a place that I can come and share my joys, sorrows and opinions. I do that because things here are not veiled behind made up personalities. The rules were that you MUST introduce yourself to us before posting. And not just 'hi, I'm ____ and 25 yrs. old........' We have in the past required more detailed information. Dr. Ron, for example, at first felt he couldn't reveal his true ID, had to talk with PG and get his approval to post without revealing his ID right away. He did it the right way. Because of this 'rule' I feel safe here.

I just wanted to add my .02 worth.

Jinjer

[Russell Roberts]

Mike,

This might sound disingenous to you, but I actually thought my post would be like an icebreaker with you. It was done in good humor - but it wasn't taken that way so I removed the post. Maybe it's not wise on my part to use that kind of humor. But, by your own self-description you have a dry wit. I don't have anything against you brother. If it hurt your feelings - I'm sorry. But my intent was not to be mean or derogetory.

[Wes]

Amazing how we all can gang up on someone. EGBeav you mentioned slander. God knows what all I have been called by a certain one. I would never even entertain the notion of asking that person to be banned.

If you don't like what he or they say don't go there. I am still trying to figure out why Karen and Mike were banned. I felt the reasonings were childish. they did ot hurt anyone. I read some of their post but for the most park ignored them.

If we are family and a real community as has been put forth, then lets act like one even with our starnge annoying aunts and uncles and the black sheeps that we wish would stay out of sight.

This is not ganging up on anyone.

This is asking for the removal of a cancer, of a poison to our community and an antagonistic accuser of the brethren.

Gerald has never tried to monopolize the board and make it all about him using alter egos, ridiculous posts, and beating down everyone's faith. Irthnvsl has and it is grating to more than a few of us here.

Irthnvsl is also trolling and flaming this board with his conversations with "NT Wright Fan" and "Wes." If NT and Wes are legit people they would know what they are doing is pretty much aiding and abetting Irthnvsl in his attempt to flame this board.

So my public call to NT and Wes is if you're legit, cut it out and post some real stuff, and stop praising Irthnvsl at every turn.

The man must be banned.

I'm sorry to say this Eager Beaver but you are impossible. I'm not trying to inflame anything. I'm just trying not to be slandered by you. I am who I am why don't you call me right now and we can get to the bottom of this man. 601-832-4644. Also, I have posted things that are legit. Check out the prayer and praise section. It's just that since I got here I have had to defend my real identity against you and others. It seems that you are still the only one that will not believe. Let it go, man.

[N.T. Wright Fan]

Take a deep breath, Mike. Breath deep. That's it. Relax....relax.

Peace.

[Russell Roberts]

Jinjer,

I actually did that. But I don't know that if my 'alter ego' N.T. Wright Fan did it would make any difference. Some are convinced that he is me. Which, in the words of the great theologian 'Wes', I take as a great compliment. If this is a ploy, it is one of the most elaborate ploys ever pulled off. Having said that, good morning Jinjer, I don't think we have previously had the pleasure of engaging in dialogue. Bless you sister.

P.S. Good morning 'wes'.

[one love]

Wes i dont know all what is going on I have not been around a few days. I just did not like some post (not made by you). I think you should just be yourself and introduce yourself and go on posting, same with the rest. Just try to keep others feelings in mind. I have been ganged up on more then once believe me so I know what you are saying, I just feel some things are a little confusing.

I love you all and honestly have nothing against any of you, I just did not like a few post that is all.
I may not agree with IRTHNVSL beliefs but I am a person that can agree to disagree with no problem, so that is not a issue.
I am a minister and have been a pastor and I know what it is to really be burdened for the spiritual well being of your members. That is where I am.

I dont offer a voice to say BAN, that is up to Shellie and PG I have my own board and do not desire to offer decisions for this one
I would rather you all just get this behind you, lets make things right and move on as friends

[MacUser]

From: http://jude2.com/viewtopic.php?t=22714

Np, for the second time, just chill... and enjoy yourself.

Don't lash out with attacks or you are going to be considered a nut no matter how noble your intentions to change the "insert issue here". You will also not change others honest opinions based on each real life experiences by impugning or making fun of them (or you will probably just get that style back). Some here on this board are excellent at returning FIRE themselves as they are trained COGOP (learned from the BEST - LOL) and they REALLY, REALLY attempt to keep it under control. But they are really good people.. searching to do what is right.. like all of us.

If you want to highlight an issue.. Just cite a link or awareness you think reinforces your causes and let that OWN person come to his or her own opinion. Don't try to covertly manipulate a "Gotcha" moment to get a specific reaction. The people here are really intelligent and can discern instantly. IF that person doesn't agree with you. So what.. we all will not agree.

Also in your online and offline life.. don't play the martyr. That is a red flag for deeper issues. The world doesn't revolve around you and you are not the center of attention.. Trust me.

God Bless You.

[Kenya]

I think you are are sounding like a bunch of Democrats - forgetting what this fine board was founded on - or even worse...like some of those whiners from the old board, eenntteerraaccttss, "ooo, he hurt my feelings. please ban him!"

I've had some emails with irthnvesls and I really don't think he is as dangerous as you all seem to think he is. He's a little warped and crude with his humor and possibly needs to walk away and come back again before he hits the submit button, but I seriously don't think he is dangerous. I also don't think that he is the same person as Mr. Wright.

I could be wrong, I don't have the tech power that you guys do, but I think some opinions were formed about irthvesl BEFORE that stuff ever started and you were just looking for something to get rid of him. BINGO!

[RamboPreacher]

...
First of all you took my post WAY out of context!!! I also said I have nothing against him and that I LOVE HIM. You throw that in there as if I did not.
Second I was not insulting you but rather implying if you had a pastors heart you should understand how that could be a hurtful post. Making light and sarcasm out of a pastors thoughts is insulting, NOT the one pointing out the insult.

Bias?????? What Bias???? I have not posted at all regarding these things until now and simply said that I felt some of these post have been insulting. I also gave reasons why. I also said that I have nothing against him and Love him but I know how hard pastoring can be.

I never took a shot at you Rambo I was stating that you say you have a pastors heart, well then you should be able to see why others felt that post was a mockery of PG's feelings. Simply put

You are correct we can not know one another to well online but we can understand one's personality. With that said i feel I do know you unless you post one way and live another J/K

so, you can see that text can be understood incorrectly. interesting. I did not say that you did not love him, nor did I insinuate that) - you apparently made an assumption in the text that I did not intend, directly or indirectly.

i disagree, you can not know my personality by the text that I post. nor can I know yours, as I had eluded already. this goes for any poster. Unless of course, your life and complete paradigm of life, love and religion is exemplified in your posts. I don't believe that is possible. text is not that good of a communication medium, even with "lol"s and emoticons. In my perception of your text, as example - you continue to poke the low blow at me with your defense in insinuation that I don't have a pastors heart.

I never said clay-jar's post was not hurtful. I said

I don't necessarily agree with the way he posted, but not what he posted.

i was understanding him, or at least trying to, "outside the box", so to speak. I was trying to look the other way in the cave, trying to see the person that was making the shadow on the wall.

posting text in a forum, in blogs etc, are just a textual shadow, and representation of a minute part of a small portion of someone's life. I don't know about you, but when I post, it is not to express my entire lifestyle, and loving relationships with my wife, my family let alone my God.

I am merely expressing an opinion, a belief, a thought, perhaps a series of thoughts and paradigm. You probably wouldn't want to know what I would perceive as your personality if I went strictly by your posts. (and neither would I, since that's not how I perceive people on forums and blogs, etc...)

as for bias, my point is that EVERYONE is biased (see above about perception of personality based on textual posts). if you say you are completely objective, then I can say that you are not truthful with yourself. being biased is not a "bad thing". we all are raised a certain way, and others were raised differently. I say pop, someone says soda. I like waffles for breakfast and fried chicken for lunch or dinner. I would never put fried chicken on my waffle (except to try it when visiting that part of the country/world)

[Russell Roberts]

Thanks Kenya,

But I am dangerous...

[Kenya]

Thanks Kenya,

But I am dangerous...

OOOOoooo, I am scared.