Ray Boltz

[one love]

No DaGRUDGE... I didn't originate the post. You did.

My post was found on tcogtalk and you brought it over here to bash Pastorbps for his "you want to have your cake and eat it too" post below.


I grew up in TCogop...but decided to remain in TCOG.....when that big jumbo jet started making it's drop in altitude.

Interesting. So you had no problem bashing COGOP behind our backs over on TCOGtalk. You just don't like it being called to our attention over here on Jude 2, huh?

no where in that post was cogop mentioned but rather talking about a broad topic regarding denominations in general and the D/R part was brought up when pastorbps made his post and you said

"look at his thoughts on D/R in the doctrine forum"

you cant take a post in another forum that had nothing to with D/R and then post it here and claim it started the conversation when nobody did except you and pastorbps..
I am humbly confused brother truly I am. you make a claim that we keep bringing it up and we never did here at all.
Show me the post that we did here that brought it up. It all started with pastorbps and your response to him..

I really dont like the implication that anyone is slandering the COGOP over there to begin with. You said yourself that we dont do that and anyone that reads our forum knows that it is not tolerated to slam anyone.
I dont wish to aggravate ya Brother I am just confused.....

[one love]

New formula

man says he is gay = D/R thread= Blame TCOG for it

[RaceRunner]

No DaGRUDGE... I didn't originate the post. You did.

My post was found on tcogtalk and you brought it over here to bash Pastorbps for his "you want to have your cake and eat it too" post below.

I grew up in TCogop...but decided to remain in TCOG.....when that big jumbo jet started making it's drop in altitude.

Interesting. So you had no problem bashing COGOP behind our backs over on TCOGtalk. You just don't like it being called to our attention over here on Jude 2, huh?

I don't mind the attention. (I just would enjoy being the instigator...that's all.)

You actually thought I was a man...and I'm the one who requested my name be attached to my original quote. If I'm going to be quoted....at least get my name right!

My original quote from the Ray Boltz TCOGTALK thread you brought over:

Reveals the future of denominational christians who start knocking over dominos.

Sympathy becomes more important than the actual Word of God.

This is the downhill direction of ALL denominations (without repentance) who teach that a PROFESSION OF FAITH is the only requirement of membership.

I didn't consider my statement on tcogtalk to be a cogop d&r bash (really more a "denominational" one) but I can see where someone might be "concerned" if you are....

1. A denominational christian who is knocking over doctrinal dominos.

2. Consider Sympathy to be more important than the actual Word of God.

3. Teach that a PROFESSION OF FAITH is the only requirement of membership.

My apologies if that shoe fits........

[RaceRunner]

New formula

man says he is gay = D/R thread= Blame TCOG for it

You're NEW to this neck of the woods aren't ya?

[Dr. Ron]

When Billy Murray was GO, he (wrote) ? and editorial in the WWM when the D/R question began to surface , that living in d/r was no different than living the gay lifestyle....in his mind fornication was fornication.

Don't know why he wrote it......never withdrew it......but began to deal with the issue of d/r.

There are so many schools of thought on "big sins" vs "small sins" that it is crazy.

The point is, as I preached Sunday, it's not about religion anyway....it's about personal relationship with Christ.

My teaching here, is that we need to disciple people to become as close to being like Christ as we can be. If we accomplish that, the issues of our lives will be dealt with by the HOly Spirit. I have several "former" gay people in my congregation.....male and female. They are married now and have great families and do a great work for God. But, we also provide a program for them (as well as others with issues) called Celebrate Recovery to help them deal with their past.

As we draw near HIM, everything else becomes less significant.....no matter what it is.

I have had several "gays" who come here. Some stayed and God is doing a work in their lives.....others were simply not ready to face the issue.

You who are worried about what a denomination "teaches" have missed the point all together. It's not about them. It's about our relationship to Christ.....

As for "racerunner" and the idea of "salvation" being the only requirement for membership.....that was decided in the "old paths" assemblies.....and was never changed. All the other stuff was added by edict......and was never passed by the GA.

The COG once had 30 teachings.....one was against going to war.....because of a son getting a girl in a "family way" and being given the option to go to war (I) or marry , that teaching got dropped.....again by edict.

Study your history if you are going to use it on here.

[RaceRunner]

Thanks for the history lesson.

[Dr. Ron]

You are welcome "RaceRunner" ............Anytime.

[RamboPreacher]

You are welcome "RaceRunner" ............Anytime.

Hi ya Dr. Ron. been a while.

Sometimes when I post, I ave these interesting thoughts that smell like the color violet. and then if it's the second Day of the wee, and Thursday follows, I can also notice that the yellow roses from North Dakota are simply delicious unless they are the red ones. Of course flying ants do bite.

[Pastorbps]

I started it Well kinda. It was a thread about sin. I was just pointing out a little inconsistency.

I think you all should quit judging him. He's repented because repentance doesn't mean you have to forsake sin. All churches are the same and if his church accepts him who are we to say he isn't Saved. We all have sin so I guess he's going to Heaven and if he isn't then neither are any of us. Why aren't you talking about those singers who are backbiters, gossips, critical, etc? Why are you singling him out? He should be a member of your church or do you have a "Must Be This Tall Sign" at the door of your church? Hmm!

I'll go back to the doctrine board and stop causing trouble

[one love]

I started it Well kinda. It was a thread about sin. I was just pointing out a little inconsistency.

I think you all should quit judging him. He's repented because repentance doesn't mean you have to forsake sin. All churches are the same and if his church accepts him who are we to say he isn't Saved. We all have sin so I guess he's going to Heaven and if he isn't then neither are any of us. Why aren't you talking about those singers who are backbiters, gossips, critical, etc? Why are you singling him out? He should be a member of your church or do you have a "Must Be This Tall Sign" at the door of your church? Hmm!

I'll go back to the doctrine board and stop causing trouble

no trouble to me I was just pointing out the blame should not have been placed on TCOG

[DaJudge]

I really dont like the implication that anyone is slandering the COGOP over there to begin with. You said yourself that we dont do that and anyone that reads our forum knows that it is not tolerated to slam anyone.
I dont wish to aggravate ya Brother I am just confused.....

YOU don't bash COGOP and never have, one love. And I appreciate that about you. If you think Race Runner wasn't talking about COGOP in her original post though... well then I have good news for you. You just won the Nigerian lottery. Just email me your credit card number and I'll send you your $10 million check.

[Dr. Ron]

Hey rambo.....i understand what you said.....ain't that scarry!!!!!

Hope you are having a real "paint ball" day!!

[one love]

Hye Dajudge if you would like to send me a check I would glad to recieve
But just from you not the nigerian lottery scam

I took that post as a post reflecting denominations in general... i am going no further in this because it is just not my thing.

I appreciate the comment Brother and I pray you have a blessed night

[A2JGirl]

Back on topic...

This with Ray Boltz makes me very sad for him.

The first thing that came to mind when I read the article was, "Confess your faults one to another that you may be healed." Sounds like he just battled his sin privately which led to his despair and ultimately his acceptance of his sin when he couldn't take it anymore.

Maybe if he had confided in someone who could disciple and counsel him, he wouldn't be where he is today.

And then it made me think, how many people do you know would be OK and willing to help someone who came to you confessing something like this? Would you?

Something to think about.

[Dr. Ron]

A2JGirl.............and just WHO would you feel comfortable confining something of that nature in.......

It is difficult for someone dealing with issues of this kind to "feel" comfortable with anyone knowing their private hell. I deal with a lot of these cases and they know about the confidentiality responsibility of the counselor, but they still have trouble believing that the word won't leak out someway.

This man's whole life was built around gospel music and it's message. He built a financial empire from it. So, he had a "vested interest" in keeping things quiet. He couldn't trust anyone on many fronts........

It would be nice if it were as easy as some would like us to think.....but I am afraid that it is not.....

God help this very "hurting " individual.