TCOG Assembly Webcast

[Full Quiver]

Chris, I am currently watching the same thing you are speaking of and it is quite sad. Rob Hawkins is one of the nicest guys you would ever meet but this is a total shame and disgrace to the Gospel.

He is preaching against going into Blockbuster because you might see some skin on a movie cover. Good Lord I would have had to stay home from all TCoG services do to the short skirts and cleavage that was sported by the women. Does he not ever walk down the street? The screaming is ridiculous.

[EagerBeaver]

Chris, I am currently watching the same thing you are speaking of and it is quite sad. Rob Hawkins is one of the nicest guys you would ever meet but this is a total shame and disgrace to the Gospel.

He is preaching against going into Blockbuster because you might see some skin on a movie cover. Good Lord I would have had to stay home from all TCoG services do to the short skirts and cleavage that was sported by the women. Does he not ever walk down the street? The screaming is ridiculous.

It is a shame and disgrace, and I am very grieved as I stated earlier. I know for a fact there are great people in TCOG regardless of what doctrinal belief they have (many of my family members are/have been TCOG as well) and I am just grieved that this sermon was preached as an admonishment to young people.

[Full Quiver]

I'm still watching and let me make a truth clear since the truth has been masked over in this sermon by legalism. Murder is put in the heart of men and women and children by the enemy of our soul. Cain slew Abel before man ever fantasized about movies, tv, and video games. In fact more people have been murdered throughout history prior to the advent of such things that Rob has preached about than since these things.

[Poimen]

I got to be there for Bro. Rob's sermon. I enjoyed it very much. Of course I didn't look at through suspicious eyes and took care to ponder the actual statements of anything that seemed to be of the legalistic genre. Having done that I can say that I agreed with 85-90% of His sermon as given.

He never said, that I recall, it's wrong to watch movies, have fun, play video games, etc. He simply addressed allowing those things to consume us, especially when the content of them is full of all manner evil things.

Yes, Rob is loud and screams a bit much. But of course so did Whitfield.
If the concept of practical holiness underscoring this message, and the citations of cultural use of similar content to desensitize a person psychologically to what naturally is repulsive bothered you, and grieved your spirit, then perhaps it would be good to spend some time in self examination and personal reflection just to be sure of the basis of your grievance is legitimate.

[Ilovebigcats]

I got to be there for Bro. Rob's sermon. I enjoyed it very much. Of course I didn't look at through suspicious eyes and took care to ponder the actual statements of anything that seemed to be of the legalistic genre. Having done that I can say that I agreed with 85-90% of His sermon as given.

He never said, that I recall, it's wrong to watch movies, have fun, play video games, etc. He simply addressed allowing those things to consume us, especially when the content of them is full of all manner evil things.

You sure you didn't break your CD collection like old times!?

Yes, Rob is loud and screams a bit much. But of course so did Whitfield.
If the concept of practical holiness underscoring this message, and the citations of cultural use of similar content to desensitize a person psychologically to what naturally is repulsive bothered you, and grieved your spirit, then perhaps it would be good to spend some time in self examination and personal reflection just to be sure of the basis of your grievance is legitimate.

I examine myself regularly and know GRACE well.

NEVER do you hear a message on growth. Practical ways for making yourself a better person. I am amazed I survived the constant fear boosting sermons. Don't do this, don't do that, don't do this (screaming of course), or else the devil will get you. I wrestled all night with the devil. Spare me. It is rediculous. It is a bunch of gloom and doom finger pointing that makes our loving Father look like a mass murderer and out-to-get-you kinda God. It is disgusting. If you can't see that then you haven't come as far as you think... You are a "divine revelation" away from going back.

And you know what... where I go to church I am learning a lot about myself and using the tools I am given to change myself. I have NEVER once felt condemned or scorned or made to fear an instant attack of satan in near. Come on! It is so hard hearing a TCOG sermon because of the THICK hypocrisy throughout the whole organization. THICK! I followed the letter of the law and I was rebuked because of it.. then you have messages like this that I would have been nodding away to condemn all the evil doers in the crowd of hypocrites.

THANK GOD I found grace and a loving Father. It is SOOOOOOO SOOOOOOO sad what those people are missing out on. They can't be told otherwise either. Sadness. They will be judged by the same measure they judge. And the sad thing is they will quote scripture and give themselves the right to judge yet they can't even accept an obvious judgment from others here. Wait until God judges (they say that with a stiff neck).... you know, that the truth! Talk about gloom and doom.... if you dish it out, you better get ready to take it. Lighten up. God is LOVE. I know some Fathers love you enough to beat the crap out of you if you mess up but MY FATHER loves me enough to sit me down and give me the tools and help me change not doom me to hell in an instant for a slight mistake.

Grace, grace! God's great grace! It's free! And it isn't scary!

This is the message for the youth??! Suffer the little children? I don't think it means make them suffer! If you talk to your own teens like that as parents what you will find is rebellious runaways... and it is your own fault for not knowing how to parent and be a loving nurturing teacher. Hello?

[Shepherd]

If you talk to your own teens like that as parents what you will find is rebellious runaways... and it is your own fault for not knowing how to parent and be a loving nurturing teacher. Hello?

How many teenage children do you have?

[EagerBeaver]

If the concept of practical holiness underscoring this message, and the citations of cultural use of similar content to desensitize a person psychologically to what naturally is repulsive bothered you, and grieved your spirit, then perhaps it would be good to spend some time in self examination and personal reflection just to be sure of the basis of your grievance is legitimate.

Practical holiness doesn't bother me one bit.

How it was brought about in that sermon, preaching how to avoid hell instead of move farther along in the relationship with Christ, did.

Here's some self-examination. Let's talk about some of the topics Hawk did.

Rock music? No thanks, I like electronica much more.

Video games? Not much of a gamer, but I rebuke Halo 3 in the name of Jesus. Master Chief, get thee hence.

Video stores? Why bother, I have netflix.

Self-examination complete, I think it's all good.

[Gerald Creasy]

If the concept of practical holiness underscoring this message, and the citations of cultural use of similar content to desensitize a person psychologically to what naturally is repulsive bothered you, and grieved your spirit, then perhaps it would be good to spend some time in self examination and personal reflection just to be sure of the basis of your grievance is legitimate.

Practical holiness doesn't bother me one bit.

How it was brought about in that sermon, preaching how to avoid hell instead of move farther along in the relationship with Christ, did.

Here's some self-examination. Let's talk about some of the topics Hawk did.

Rock music? No thanks, I like electronica much more.

Video games? Not much of a gamer, but I rebuke Halo 3 in the name of Jesus. Master Chief, get thee hence.

Video stores? Why bother, I have netflix.

Self-examination complete, I think it's all good.

The problem with this kind of preaching is that it emphasizes holiness through "pull yourself up with your bootstraps" effort, rather than seeking Christ.

TCOG perpetuates the new Phariseeism of old time COGOP -ignoring Christ and holding to a NEW set of Rules and Regulations.

[EagerBeaver]

If the concept of practical holiness underscoring this message, and the citations of cultural use of similar content to desensitize a person psychologically to what naturally is repulsive bothered you, and grieved your spirit, then perhaps it would be good to spend some time in self examination and personal reflection just to be sure of the basis of your grievance is legitimate.

Practical holiness doesn't bother me one bit.

How it was brought about in that sermon, preaching how to avoid hell instead of move farther along in the relationship with Christ, did.

Here's some self-examination. Let's talk about some of the topics Hawk did.

Rock music? No thanks, I like electronica much more.

Video games? Not much of a gamer, but I rebuke Halo 3 in the name of Jesus. Master Chief, get thee hence.

Video stores? Why bother, I have netflix.

Self-examination complete, I think it's all good.

The problem with this kind of preaching is that it emphasizes holiness through "pull yourself up with your bootstraps" effort, rather than seeking Christ.

TCOG perpetuates the new Phariseeism of old time COGOP -ignoring Christ and holding to a NEW set of Rules and Regulations.

Did you watch the sermon Gerald? Unbelievable stuff. Like I said earlier for those that believe the COGOP has not progressed much, please take a look at this video and then get back to me!

[Gerald Creasy]

Did you watch the sermon Gerald? Unbelievable stuff. Like I said earlier for those that believe the COGOP has not progressed much, please take a look at this video and then get back to me!

Well Beav, I made it through ten minutes.

This type of preaching accounts for the vast majority of the type of preaching I heard growing up: It's the last days (thirty years ago even) we better watch the devil is everywhere waiting to jump out and getcha!!

You wonder why I'm uptight?

The one question I would like to ask Pastor Rob is, If "hard driving and agressive Christian music is not Christian music at all" what about hard driving and agresive hollering..oh!..Um...I mean preachin'???


I would like to thank TCOG however as I loaded the video and the musians began to sing, I heard Hank Williams credited. Theres something both wonderful and pitiful when COGOP will have Christian Ska bands on Assembly and theres no pedal steel or Hank Williams gospel to be found.

[PastorDaniel]

I got to the part where he said "Christian music that is hard driving and aggressive is not Christian at all" Then he growled and screamed a demonic sounding "Praaaaaaaaaaaaaissssse God!" I then turned it off!!

hhuuuummmm!! His ranting and raving about petty things sounded hard driving and aggressive to me!! Guess his preaching ain't Christian!

I'm so glad that God delivered me from the bondage of that mentality!!

[Full Quiver]

then perhaps it would be good to spend some time in self examination and personal reflection just to be sure of the basis of your grievance is legitimate.

Need I really say this? Chris, I was a pharisee of the pharisees, you know this. I've been there and done that and in fact lived most of that message years before Rob was allowed to approach the Assembly with such. Why preach it now and not back when Bishop Pruitt was GO? Well then Pruitt would have set him back a few years but now Smith will applaud him for pushing his agenda. Brownie points for Rob; sadness for sure

If it had been the Lord then the altar would have been filled with Blockbuster and Hollywood video membership cards but I am sure that those companies need not worry about anything except Red Box and NetFlix.

I would like to thank TCOG however as I loaded the video and the musians began to sing, I heard Hank Williams credited.

Which by the way is the absolute perfect type of hypocrisy that TCoG reaks of. Hank Williams may have been a great musician and singer but never in a million years did he represent Christ in the eyes of TCOG. To them the only light he saw was oncoming headlights as he found himself driving drunk on the wrong side of the road or something.

[one love]

Ok...first I love the responses off of one sermon ..... To say there were no uplifting messages, would indicate someone missed a lot of the assembly.

Pastor Rob is one of the nicest people you would ever meet. He has also dedicated his work to the mission fields. He is a wonderful man of God. Whether one agrees with that message or not, to call it satanic is judging in itself, yet you accuse and rebuke him for the same....

There were many saved through this assembly , many sanctified and filled with the Holy ghost. Rob has a certain preaching style but to critize in this manner would be the same as me saying that somone who preaches in a quiet tone has no power behind it. Of course that is not true.

As far as the music , yes we have a bluegrass band, so what? We also have southern gospel and contempary music that was played in the assembly, it was a wide varitey of different styles. The link i just listened to I will say the music did not sound like that live, I am not sure why it came across as if they were hoarse but they were not. Matter of fact it was my wife and inlaws that sang in some of the assembly and I am sure many could vouch that they are very good singers. I was there live and it sounded really good.

I have not heard all these responses on the other messages, so many were great but you may disagree with this one and that gives the green light I guess.
You would have to know Brother Rob. I am amazed that any one can say he seemed demonic, if you only knew him and his ministry.

I understand if you dont agree with his quick statements of video stores, or violent video games but how many parents want their children playing these violent video games? That was his point....

Love ya all May the lord bless you.....

BTW did you watch all the mission videos of Pastor Rob??????? and the work he does........

[Poimen]

Also, my understanding was Sister Griffen commented that her and Rob would be sort of tag-team preaching, her part of their combined delivery focused on the positive aspects of the Christian life and the person of Jesus (including a skit). Brother Robs delat with more with holiness and avoiding ungodliness. As a combination the "whole package" was present.

Besides I think some of you are just gun-shy. Of course Rob is a pretty loud gun, with a semi-autmatic capacity for rattling off shots. As kind and loving as he is it does seem Rob is a bit legalstic and overly strict in some of his approach to subjects dealing with practical everyday living. Like I said I didn't agree with everything he said, but the majority of what he said (that I heard) was sound instruction. I can;t not speak as to His intentions or inferences to be made form what he said or didn't say. I can only say what he said was mostly sound biblical instruction on the pursuit of goldiness and holiness.

As wrong as I now consider various aspects of their teaching, and as legalistic and traditional as many individuals have been in our combined heritage, I'm not ready to throw the baby out with the bath water. In fact I'd venture to say that many young people have been lost to both of us because of a lack of sincere whole hearted hunger and devotion for righteousness, godlines, and holiness. Probably as much as, if not more than, those who were lost due to non biblical legalstic and traiditonal standards and restrictions.

[one love]

BTW I thoroughly enjoyed worshipping with you Brother Chris and having the chance to fellowship as well. Sorry I had to leave and hunt down my wife and then as I was coming back up I stopped for a few minutes on the balcony and minutes later heard my other baby crying so I had to go back down and get him...... But i was glad to see ya brother!!!