Jude 2

We have the poll on which organization, denomination, or what have you we all belong to. So I thought a look more at our movement and our traditional background might be beneficial and interesting as well.


Which are you?

Restorationist (pentecostal, COG, etc.)

I chose Other as I really dont understand definitions of the choices

Roman (West)

Orthodox (East)

Calvinistic

Arminian

Radical, Ananbaptist, Mennonite, etc.

Restorationist (non-pentecostal)

Restorationist (pentecostal, COG, etc.)

Pentecostal/Charismatic (non-restorationist)

Are not Pentecostals Arminian?

Gerald Creasy wrote:Are not Pentecostals Arminian?

Well, normally, yes. But there is large section of arminian groups that are not pentecostal.

And since Pentecostalism was itself a unique movement I thought I should include it distinctly.

Paully_44 wrote:I chose Other as I really dont understand definitions of the choices

Roman (West)

Orthodox (East)

Calvinistic

Arminian

Radical, Ananbaptist, Mennonite, etc.

Restorationist (non-pentecostal)

Restorationist (pentecostal, COG, etc.)

Pentecostal/Charismatic (non-restorationist)

Sorry about that Paully. I didn't mean to be confusing. I would consider you a hybrid actually. Part radical/Ananbaptist,etc. and part Pentecostal.

Poimen wrote:

Gerald Creasy wrote:Are not Pentecostals Arminian?

Well, normally, yes. But there is large section of arminian groups that are not pentecostal.

And since Pentecostalism was itself a unique movement I thought I should include it distinctly.

BUt that forces an Either/ OR choice. The Arminian outlook was more responsible for COGOPS mind set on most everything BUT the issue of the HG baptism.

Gerald Creasy wrote:

Poimen wrote:

Gerald Creasy wrote:Are not Pentecostals Arminian?

Well, normally, yes. But there is large section of arminian groups that are not pentecostal.

And since Pentecostalism was itself a unique movement I thought I should include it distinctly.

BUt that forces an Either/ OR choice. The Arminian outlook was more responsible for COGOPS mind set on most everything BUT the issue of the HG baptism.

What do you suggest as an adequate amendment or remedy?

Gerald Creasy wrote:Are not Pentecostals Arminian?

Not necessarily and not always. Some very visible and well-known COG Pastors openly espouse a moderated view that is not classicly Arminian; it is not precisely TULIP Calvinist, but closer to Calvinism than Arminianism. (If I understand it, it is much like the Chuck Smith/Calvary Chapel view.)

Pastor Gary wrote:

Gerald Creasy wrote:Are not Pentecostals Arminian?

Not necessarily and not always. Some very visible and well-known COG Pastors openly espouse a moderated view that is not classicly Arminian; it is not precisely TULIP Calvinist, but closer to Calvinism than Arminianism. (If I understand it, it is much like the Chuck Smith/Calvary Chapel view.)

Okay I understand that I am also aware of Wayne Grudem who is, I am told, okay with HG baptism, but is more towards reformed views.


Perhaps I should have ask arent all COGOP Pentecostals (at least until very recently) Arminian?

Gerald Creasy wrote:

Pastor Gary wrote:

Gerald Creasy wrote:Are not Pentecostals Arminian?

Not necessarily and not always. Some very visible and well-known COG Pastors openly espouse a moderated view that is not classicly Arminian; it is not precisely TULIP Calvinist, but closer to Calvinism than Arminianism. (If I understand it, it is much like the Chuck Smith/Calvary Chapel view.)

Okay I understand that I am also aware of Wayne Grudem who is, I am told, okay with HG baptism, but is more towards reformed views.


Perhaps I should have ask arent all COGOP Pentecostals (at least until very recently) Arminian?

Well in the broadest sense, yes. But more specifically COGOP and COG and their offshoots were restorationist movements as uch as or more than they were Arminian, Wesleyan, etc. They (naturally one could argue) became Pentecostal -- thus Pentecostal Restorationist.

Poimen wrote:Sorry about that Paully. I didn't mean to be confusing. I would consider you a hybrid actually. Part radical/Ananbaptist,etc. and part Pentecostal.

I think my wife considers me a hybrid also... part electric (quiet) and part gas!

voted calvanist. Though raised in an evangelical (pretty sure that would be - Restorationist (non-pentecostal) , I was not saved until later and initially attended Baptist church for months before realizing I was not a cessationist. though stayed more "Calvanistic", until I began my Bible College education. Thuough, of course, during some of those initial years, I mostly had no idea of what any of those words meant.

Louisville Outlaws.

I claim only one title: Christian, a follower of Christ.


TW