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Obama: Soul Fixer
Posted: February 17th, 2008, 4:18 am
by Gerald Creasy
Mrs. Obama wrote:We have lost the understanding that in a democracy, we have a mutual obligation to one another — that we cannot measure the greatness of our society by the strongest and richest of us, but we have to measure our greatness by the least of these. That we have to compromise and sacrifice for one another in order to get things done. That is why I am here, because Barack Obama is the only person in this who understands that. That before we can work on the problems, we have to fix our souls. Our souls are broken in this nation.
Posted: February 17th, 2008, 5:07 am
by MacUser
*fainted*
Posted: February 17th, 2008, 7:40 am
by dolfan
An utter fabrication. The duty of democracy is not a mutual obligation to one another, but that the raw and bare will of the majority rules. Even Geo. Washington and T. Jefferson said, each of them, that the role of the minority in any democratic disagreement is to acquiesce to the will of the majority (of course, that's not all they said about it, but they each said so), and that is in the context of our constitutional republic.
Democracy means majority rule. An implication of democracy may be built into it that a social, mutual obligation ride along, but that's for socialist democracies. If that's the government we have become (and, I agree with her that it is), let's not disguise it as normal, historic democracy, which is anything but what Mrs. Obama describes.
Posted: February 17th, 2008, 2:13 pm
by forestwalker
Lord have mercy Tim. May Obama's win signal the beginning of the end of the deeply anti-Christian Libertarian ethic that has ruled our land for the past twenty-five years.
Posted: February 18th, 2008, 4:11 am
by crispfin
Mrs. Obama wrote:
We have lost the understanding that in a democracy, we have a mutual obligation to one another — that we cannot measure the greatness of our society by the strongest and richest of us, but we have to measure our greatness by the least of these. That we have to compromise and sacrifice for one another in order to get things done. That is why I am here, because Barack Obama is the only person in this who understands that. That before we can work on the problems, we have to fix our souls. Our souls are broken in this nation.
Amen.
Posted: February 18th, 2008, 5:31 am
by soulsearcher
Yes, by all means, let's "fix our souls" as we embrace any and every thing that exalts itself above The Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
Re: Obama: Soul Fixer
Posted: February 18th, 2008, 5:40 am
by Paully_44
Gerald Creasy wrote:Mrs. Obama wrote:We have lost the understanding that in a democracy, we have a mutual obligation to one another — that we cannot measure the greatness of our society by the strongest and richest of us, but we have to measure our greatness by the least of these. That we have to compromise and sacrifice for one another in order to get things done. That is why I am here, because Barack Obama is the only person in this who understands that. That before we can work on the problems, we have to fix our souls. Our souls are broken in this nation.
soulsearcher wrote:Yes, by all means, let's "fix our souls" as we embrace any and every thing that exalts itself above The Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
Did I miss something here?
Posted: February 18th, 2008, 6:19 am
by dolfan
In a desperate move, Clinton's hacks are trying to foul Obama before time runs out. Drudge has this lead line:
"'Senator Obama Lifted Rhetoric': Hillary aide hits Obama for using Mass. Gov. Deval Patrick's words 'without attribution'... Developing... "
MSNBC's First Read makes fun of the Clinton campaign, rightly, and now Breibart has an article, with video, that the 'similarities' were intentional. In other words, Patrick approves of Obama's remarks.
Posted: February 18th, 2008, 6:29 am
by dolfan
forestwalker wrote:Lord have mercy Tim. May Obama's win signal the beginning of the end of the deeply anti-Christian Libertarian ethic that has ruled our land for the past twenty-five years.
I'd take issue that Libertarianism is any ethic that has had any significant role in our land in about 71 years. Further, I disagree that it is against Christ or Christianity. But, my real point is to make a clarification: I'm not saying in my post there that democracy ought to or ought not to have obligations of social justice with it. Frankly, I think that is a Christian duty, not a democratic one, but that's beside the point. Historically, democracy has been the exercise of the raw will of the majority. Michelle Obama's description of it is not even close to historically precise. It is a normative description, a wish list as it were, of what American democracy ought to be. As such, it is not something we've lost understanding of at all. That assertion is made from whole fabric, or at least stems from the development of a socialist view of large government that reaches back to 1937 and FDR. If that's the point of demarcation for Mrs. Obama of what democracy is, that's okay. But, it is a very modern, very new styling of it in historical terms, although most Americans don't know it and don't really care. I do care, though; so, I mark those words. I want government to go away, to shrink, to do the 4 or 5 things it ought to do and do them well while leaving us to pursue our own industry and happiness. She's just not going to say things like that and get a pass from me.
Re: Obama: Soul Fixer
Posted: February 18th, 2008, 6:30 am
by soulsearcher
Paully_44 wrote:Gerald Creasy wrote:Mrs. Obama wrote:We have lost the understanding that in a democracy, we have a mutual obligation to one another — that we cannot measure the greatness of our society by the strongest and richest of us, but we have to measure our greatness by the least of these. That we have to compromise and sacrifice for one another in order to get things done. That is why I am here, because Barack Obama is the only person in this who understands that. That before we can work on the problems, we have to fix our souls. Our souls are broken in this nation.
soulsearcher wrote:Yes, by all means, let's "fix our souls" as we embrace any and every thing that exalts itself above The Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
Did I miss something here?
Paully,
Just stating that the "Change" bandwagon doesn't involve any personal change, because, to liberals, everyone is O.K. All lifestyles and ways of life are acceptable. Everthing is beautiful - in it's own way. Change is the message, just not personal change, because no one should feel guilty or irresponsible.
Posted: February 18th, 2008, 1:21 pm
by crispfin
I suppose it's unfortunate that such nice words with their echoes of biblical terminology came out of her mouth. If only they had come from some nice preacher with close ties to conservative politicians.
Posted: February 18th, 2008, 4:58 pm
by EagerBeaver
crispfinagin wrote:I suppose it's unfortunate that such nice words with their echoes of biblical terminology came out of her mouth. If only they had come from some nice preacher with close ties to conservative politicians.
And tons of money, too.
Re: Obama: Soul Fixer
Posted: February 18th, 2008, 5:27 pm
by WindSong
soulsearcher wrote:Paully_44 wrote:Gerald Creasy wrote:Mrs. Obama wrote:We have lost the understanding that in a democracy, we have a mutual obligation to one another — that we cannot measure the greatness of our society by the strongest and richest of us, but we have to measure our greatness by the least of these. That we have to compromise and sacrifice for one another in order to get things done. That is why I am here, because Barack Obama is the only person in this who understands that. That before we can work on the problems, we have to fix our souls. Our souls are broken in this nation.
soulsearcher wrote:Yes, by all means, let's "fix our souls" as we embrace any and every thing that exalts itself above The Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
Did I miss something here?
Paully,
Just stating that the "Change" bandwagon doesn't involve any personal change, because, to liberals, everyone is O.K. All lifestyles and ways of life are acceptable. Everthing is beautiful - in it's own way. Change is the message, just not personal change, because no one should feel guilty or irresponsible.
The world is ripe for the antichrist. A part of the delusion of these last days will be in thinking there will be a 'peaceful utopia' here on the earth; secular society and apostate christians are looking for someone to lead them, just as Israel demanded a king instead of looking to God for His guidance and wisdom. It amazes me at the masses of people who are buying into thinking some man can fix things when everything is rooted in apostasy or the falling away from truth.
At this point even a good leader could only do a minimum amount of 'good' because the root cause of all that's wrong is spiritual.
The word of God warned us it would be this way. We need to stay close to Him and be salt and light to those around us.
Posted: February 19th, 2008, 4:11 am
by crispfin
The world is ripe for the antichrist. A part of the delusion of these last days will be in thinking there will be a 'peaceful utopia' here on the earth; secular society and apostate christians are looking for someone to lead them, just as Israel demanded a king instead of looking to God for His guidance and wisdom. It amazes me at the masses of people who are buying into thinking some man can fix things when everything is rooted in apostasy or the falling away from truth.
At this point even a good leader could only do a minimum amount of 'good' because the root cause of all that's wrong is spiritual.
The word of God warned us it would be this way. We need to stay close to Him and be salt and light to those around us.
I'm sorry, but it seems to me that the idea that we simply shouldn't try to do anything to make the world better, we should accept injustice and evil as the norm, is in fact the true antichrist position. I don't think that those Christians who are supporting Obama or Clinton are apostates or looking to follow man (especially if they support Hillary
). I believe they hold deep convictions and concern for the poor and needy, they believe God's creation should be respected, and maybe there is a way to overcome the ideology of terror without killing everyone who holds it that redemption is even possible for the terrorist and that the peacemakers are truly "the sons of God". At least that's how I feel.
Posted: February 19th, 2008, 4:59 am
by WindSong
crispfinagin wrote:The world is ripe for the antichrist. A part of the delusion of these last days will be in thinking there will be a 'peaceful utopia' here on the earth; secular society and apostate christians are looking for someone to lead them, just as Israel demanded a king instead of looking to God for His guidance and wisdom. It amazes me at the masses of people who are buying into thinking some man can fix things when everything is rooted in apostasy or the falling away from truth.
At this point even a good leader could only do a minimum amount of 'good' because the root cause of all that's wrong is spiritual.
The word of God warned us it would be this way. We need to stay close to Him and be salt and light to those around us.
I'm sorry, but it seems to me that the idea that we simply shouldn't try to do anything to make the world better, we should accept injustice and evil as the norm, is in fact the true antichrist position. I don't think that those Christians who are supporting Obama or Clinton are apostates or looking to follow man (especially if they support Hillary
). I believe they hold deep convictions and concern for the poor and needy, they believe God's creation should be respected, and maybe there is a way to overcome the ideology of terror without killing everyone who holds it that redemption is even possible for the terrorist and that the peacemakers are truly "the sons of God". At least that's how I feel.
I guess it's according to how you look at it:
To some of us it is hypocrisy to have a feigned concerned for the poor and needy yet no concern for the voiceless helpless babies that are ripped from their mothers wombs and murdered everyday (and that is what obama and clinton 'supporters' are supporting indirectly by voting for them.) I believe we are to vote as long as we can vote in good conscience, and when that can no longer happen then we've reached the day it can no longer happen. Each will have to decide that for themself.
God didn't mandate the government to do what he commanded us as individual believers to do like feeding the poor. This is 'really' a church issue.