Jude 2

I want to place this here as to not hijack the other thread even more

dbserv wrote:
Rahab wrote:
I just talked with my Mom, a retired COGOP pastor, and told her about winning the money. She congratulated me and was happy for me.




Yeah, but in the eyes of some, any COGOP pastor, retired or not, is a sinner because they did not keep "walking in the light" and leave for one (or other) of the various TCOG (or now ZACOG) branches.


The "word" is that once they chose to stay, they would allow any type of sin to be in and lead their churches. So ...........................................

WHAT???????????? are you talking about........this is so false you feel i think cogop are sinners because they are not tcog, this is insulting friend.

I dont care how you believe i love ya but it is the other way around here it is many that care how we believe an we are insulted for it. I have seen no insults made to cogop since i have been here but i am slammed many times over and statements like this does not help.

Yes i feel these are wrong and much of your teachings say the same

alcohol, gambling, divorce/remmariage, smoking, chewing tobacco, cussing and SLANDER

The same old TCOG slams are getting very old and tiring because we believe like the cogop used to , I can fellowship with all of you without insulting why is it that does not go both ways? I am Judged all the time and called

a thief, a liar, legalistic, a cult and many see nothing wrong with that but if you say it is wrong to drink there is an uproar, this is backwards.
I dont mean this post to you alone but i am simply over the slams and fasle assumptions of who we are and what we represent. I have not showed that attitude here, I have loved everyone and tried to be very loving and respectful even when insulted very strongly i usually dont respond with the same attitude. I have sent support to some good people here that are in cogop some in ranks, I keep that to myself but dont catorgorize us it is wrong. If I catagorize you all for the faults of cogop all the time you would be highly offended and Dr Ron knows this statement is not false. I love you all but this has got to stop if not I will go, it has been so good here and i post here more then anywhere becasue i enjoy it but somethings get old especially the whole thievery, cultic attitude.
If i posted in the same manner every couple days you would all be very offended and upset and i would most likely be removed. Am I not a Brother?
I love ya God bless

Matter of fact i will preaching at a cogop soon......

I apologize if I have offended you in any way. The one thing I never did was judge or prejudge you and your relationship with Christ. If my posts came of as such, then I am truly sorry.

As far as being my brother in Christ, I have no doubt.

Yes i feel these are wrong ...alcohol, gambling, divorce/remmariage, ...

Though as one that is divorced, and remarried, have had an occasional "adult beverage", purchased the occasional lottery ticket, as well as having purchased some slot-entertainment, while on a business trip in LV, you may not want me as your brother.

One love

Stick around, you are as much a brother in the Lord as anyone. I know some things get old. But, I'm sure some might tire of me also...

you views are as important as anyone elses on here. And your right to your convictions are respected by me.

one love wrote: Am I not a Brother? ......

Sure you are.

If you think I'm hard on you, let me clue you in: I'm a thousand times harder on myself. Every minute. Every day.

IF by some strange method the me of now would meet the me of the old COGOP hardline I'd savage him to shreads: That old pharisaic empty skulled lardcan, deciding whom he should witness to based on his descision of who would and who wouldn't change their lives in order to line up to COGOP teachings. Biblically clueless, relying on what everyone tells him.

From a small age I never understood why Jesus hit the Phrarisees so hard, when they looked and behaved just like all the people around me.
That didn't stop me from becoming two fold just like 'em.

You cling to the remnants of that "old path"; are involved with an organization that lied and stole to perserve it's perverseness.

You are caught in the crossfire of the disgust of my own past.

Gerald Creasy wrote:

one love wrote: Am I not a Brother? ......

Sure you are.

If you think I'm hard on you, let me clue you in: I'm a thousand times harder on myself. Every minute. Every day.

IF by some strange method the me of now would meet the me of the old COGOP hardline I'd savage him to shreads: That old pharisaic empty skulled lardcan, deciding whom he should witness to based on his descision of who would and who wouldn't change their lives in order to line up to COGOP teachings. Biblically clueless, relying on what everyone tells him.

From a small age I never understood why Jesus hit the Phrarisees so hard, when they looked and behaved just like all the people around me.
That didn't stop me from becoming two fold just like 'em.

You cling to the remnants of that "old path"; are involved with an organization that lied and stole to perserve it's perverseness.

You are caught in the crossfire of the disgust of my own past.

problem being i am nothing like what you described at all and have not presented myself in that manner once here. Niether are most of my friends in tcog, even in the post you went back to the "liars and thieves " thing you really dont understand gerald. Notice i have said over nad over if you only knew but i have yet to go any further then that, why is that?????hmmm Love brother and edification.
appreciate it though
BTW I witness with no bias, the only stipulation is repentance and faith in jesus christ, if you think otherwise that is not our teaching on salvation.
******To be born again is to become a new creature in Christ and a child of God. This new birth is the result of repentance******

Paul thank you i am continually blessed by your zeal and kindness

one love wrote:problem being i am nothing like what you described at all and have not presented myself in that manner once here. Niether are most of my friends in tcog, even in the post you went back to the "liars and thieves " thing you really dont understand gerald. Notice i have said over nad over if you only knew but i have yet to go any further then that, why is that?????hmmm Love brother and edification.
appreciate it though
BTW I witness with no bias, the only stipulation is repentance and faith in jesus christ, if you think otherwise that is not our teaching on salvation.
******To be born again is to become a new creature in Christ and a child of God. This new birth is the result of repentance******

UNTIL someone claims the new birth and decides it's okay to wear a ring, or get married again when their unbelieving spouse departs.

THEN All HELL breaks loose and the bias, condemnation and "get out of our perfect church you filthy vermin" treatment begins.

You can't tell me "It's not like that" It's quintessential COGOP, and TCOG is that full throtle.

Gerald Creasy wrote:

one love wrote:problem being i am nothing like what you described at all and have not presented myself in that manner once here. Niether are most of my friends in tcog, even in the post you went back to the "liars and thieves " thing you really dont understand gerald. Notice i have said over nad over if you only knew but i have yet to go any further then that, why is that?????hmmm Love brother and edification.
appreciate it though
BTW I witness with no bias, the only stipulation is repentance and faith in jesus christ, if you think otherwise that is not our teaching on salvation.
******To be born again is to become a new creature in Christ and a child of God. This new birth is the result of repentance******

UNTIL someone claims the new birth and decides it's okay to wear a ring, or get married again when their unbelieving spouse departs.

THEN All HELL breaks loose and the bias, condemnation and "get out of our perfect church you filthy vermin" treatment begins.

You can't tell me "It's not like that" It's quintessential COGOP, and TCOG is that full throtle.

if you think that if someone gets saved wearing a ring that we would tell them to take it off you are wrong. I was saved wearing a gold necklace and wore it to church until I saw it in the word and felt convicted nobody told me to take it off. Now d/r is different i am not ashamed to stand behind that if you ahve fault with that teaching your arguing with the wrong guy, no someone could not be a MEMBER in those conditions which has nothing to do with salvation. If something is sin that needs repentance it is still sin after repentance we are to forsake sin, that is my stance on d/r, same as all sin gerald if you are a drunk when you are saved and delivered from that sin you are to forsake it because it is sin.
Regardless stop your assumption and false accusations that is a sin as well..Brother I pray you will allow the lord to let the bitterness go and be able to talk to me with respect it gets old, I dont agree withmuch of what you say but i dont say things like
you are a cult
you call the bible a lie
you are a thief and a liar
it just is not right and unedifying. It builds walls......may God Bless you

"you filthy vermin"??????? if you ever acted that way you are correct you were wrong, I knwo again of nobody that does. WOW

one love wrote: Now d/r is different i am not ashamed to stand behind that if you ahve fault with that teaching your arguing with the wrong guy, no someone could not be a MEMBER in those conditions which has nothing to do with salvation. If something is sin that needs repentance it is still sin after repentance we are to forsake sin, that is my stance on d/r, same as all sin gerald if you are a drunk when you are saved and delivered from that sin you are to forsake it because it is sin.

one love wrote:"you filthy vermin"??????? if you ever acted that way you are correct you were wrong, I knwo again of nobody that does. WOW

Quote One leads to Quote Two: They're too filthy for your "perfect" church.

You have made my point. You stand in with the man who said "God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men [are], extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican." And wallow in it with revelry. (Oh! I feel a flag march coming on. We're so great!!) It is the foundation upon which your church is based.

Gerald Creasy wrote:

one love wrote:problem being i am nothing like what you described at all and have not presented myself in that manner once here. Niether are most of my friends in tcog, even in the post you went back to the "liars and thieves " thing you really dont understand gerald. Notice i have said over nad over if you only knew but i have yet to go any further then that, why is that?????hmmm Love brother and edification.
appreciate it though
BTW I witness with no bias, the only stipulation is repentance and faith in jesus christ, if you think otherwise that is not our teaching on salvation.
******To be born again is to become a new creature in Christ and a child of God. This new birth is the result of repentance******

UNTIL someone claims the new birth and decides it's okay to wear a ring, or get married again when their unbelieving spouse departs.

THEN All HELL breaks loose and the bias, condemnation and "get out of our perfect church you filthy vermin" treatment begins.

You can't tell me "It's not like that" It's quintessential COGOP, and TCOG is that full throtle.

It is not like that and is in NONE of our teachings, now membership is different but we are talking about salvation. Your own teachings you disagree with.
I guess Gerald you just cant except the fact that not everyone will agree with you, with that said I am one who can agree to disagree and love ya, talk and fellowship and I do not have to get dirty with insults, this being the point. You keep telling the world about a church you do not belong to, if you disagree that is fine I respect that completely but insulting someone over and over is not the edifying way to do things. You disagree with The Church of God, OK move on.

You say "filthy vermin" and presume we are so judgmental but you are the one judging, odd isn’t it.

Have I judged you? NO
Have I judged anyone here for there beliefs? NO
Have I called you a thief, liar etc?NO

I have held back many things that I know would not edify because I love those precious people on this forum and guess what Brother I love ya to, regardless of the distaste and disrespect you show me. Yet you have found the new light under grace? SO im legalistic and resort to calling people with rings "vermin" according to you but I have yet to show that spirit. I would never act that way to anyone, that is judging friend and your problem is you say we are Pharisees that are judgmental….
You are under such grace that none of these things are wrong but you will show so much disrespect and insults along with absolute distaste for us and claim we are judgmental.
I have n ot heard anyone in TCOG show disrespect you since I have been here so what is your point, just to get satisfaction in being hurtful? I have got strength from here because I have been going through some tough spots but this is just plain wrong and most is not true and false assumptions about me. That I will not stand for. I do not display the fruits you describe.


Nothing I will say will change this, you feel it is ok to hurt ones feelings and insult them and there church after they have repeatedly came to you and pleaded to not let this continue, why ???? I don’t want walls, you claim we are so hateful but im getting insulted.

Gerald I could open your eyes to such things and it would not change anything, I have no problem with the COGOP as I said I WILL BE PREACHING AT ONE HERE SOON, I do not agree with the change of doctrine therefore I am not a member but that does not make me have distaste for anyone I simply believe this way and many another we are still brothers and sisters that should all treat each other with respect and dignity or someone has a problem, that is basic as it gets relative to scripture. How you can justify talking to people as if they are dogs is beyond me, I cant do that and I will not do that, this being the reason I have continually tried to reason with you and every couple days even on threads that are political you throw in your "thieves, cults, liars" comments.

Question being why? we are not in a discussion about anything relative to that. You just offer these pot shots at any moment for NO reason. I ask why the MODS see nothing wrong with this...Am I held in such low regard because im in tcog? Have I disrespected or shown anyone here disrespect?

Does this bother me, yes it does. Pastor Gary and others know I have held no judgmental feelings or actions to anyone, nor have held back encouragement rather in prayer, talking or other means. So yes it is getting tiring to hear these things.


If im am mistaken and you are over this as I said I would go but I love Christ and his church and hearing this stuff over and over just to agitate me is not right nor Godly. I love this place and everyone here.

May God richly bless you all

Gerald Creasy wrote:

one love wrote: Now d/r is different i am not ashamed to stand behind that if you ahve fault with that teaching your arguing with the wrong guy, no someone could not be a MEMBER in those conditions which has nothing to do with salvation. If something is sin that needs repentance it is still sin after repentance we are to forsake sin, that is my stance on d/r, same as all sin gerald if you are a drunk when you are saved and delivered from that sin you are to forsake it because it is sin.

one love wrote:"you filthy vermin"??????? if you ever acted that way you are correct you were wrong, I knwo again of nobody that does. WOW

Quote One leads to Quote Two: They're too filthy for your "perfect" church.

You have made my point. You stand in with the man who said "God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men [are], extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican." And wallow in it with revelry. (Oh! I feel a flag march coming on. We're so great!!) It is the foundation upon which your church is based.

an absolute distortion again.

bump,,,,,,,,.......

My brother.

I have felt the same as you in times past. I have been castigated as one who "cut and ran". I understand your issues.

HOwever, these folks here would die for your right to be heard and have a "freewheeling " conversation with other.

YOu certainly know by now that not everyone on here is COGOP. Many times we have had people who joined this little group who were not only not COGOP but were anything but christians.

Hang in...Gerald is not a bad dude. He is a "thinker" and provokes us all to think. I have been known to disagree with him only to find that on some other subject that I thought he would come at me with, he agreed with me.
I have agreed with him on things only to have him come at me on other things.

We all get our "panties in a wad" from time to time. Just hang in and don't be offended. You know what you believe and why. That will take care of its self.

Dr. Ron wrote:My brother.

I have felt the same as you in times past. I have been castigated as one who "cut and ran". I understand your issues.

HOwever, these folks here would die for your right to be heard and have a "freewheeling " conversation with other.

YOu certainly know by now that not everyone on here is COGOP. Many times we have had people who joined this little group who were not only not COGOP but were anything but christians.

Hang in...Gerald is not a bad dude. He is a "thinker" and provokes us all to think. I have been known to disagree with him only to find that on some other subject that I thought he would come at me with, he agreed with me.
I have agreed with him on things only to have him come at me on other things.

We all get our "panties in a wad" from time to time. Just hang in and don't be offended. You know what you believe and why. That will take care of its self.

Dr. Ron wrote:We all get our "panties in a wad" from time to time.

hee hee, Dr. Ron said, "panties in a wad!"

YellowRose wrote:

Dr. Ron wrote:We all get our "panties in a wad" from time to time.

hee hee, Dr. Ron said, "panties in a wad!"

My wife hates it when that happens to me. Whenever that happens, she finds out I'm wearing her "panties" again and it takes her considerable time to unwad them before she can use them.



I will respond to One Love with a serious response - shortly.