Jude 2

If this should be in the "doctrine" section feel free to move it
What is it that this intells in your mind, what would be completely unforgiveable with no hope? What do you think constitutes this?
I heard a minister from a church (cant remember which one it may have been "shambock" dont hold me to that) that said one time a girl would always go to the alter and never get victory and he stated he knew why becuase she had blasphemed the holy ghost. I am really looking for good responses to this as an answer as to what defines this. I have had ideas and heard many things but I am looking for a really good discussion here.
what would it be to blaspheme the holy ghost.


[b]Matt 12:31-32

31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
KJV[/b]

Blasphemy

In the sense of speaking evil of God this word is found in Ps. 74:18; Isa. 52:5; Rom. 2:24; Rev. 13:1, 6; 16:9, 11, 21. It denotes also any kind of calumny, or evil-speaking, or abuse (1 Kings 21:10; Acts 13:45; 18:6, etc.). Our Lord was accused of blasphemy when he claimed to be the Son of God (Matt. 26:65; comp. Matt. 9:3; Mark 2:7). They who deny his Messiahship blaspheme Jesus (Luke 22:65; John 10:36). Blasphemy against the Holy Ghost (Matt. 12:31, 32; Mark 3:28, 29; Luke 12:10) is regarded by some as a continued and obstinate rejection of the gospel, and hence is an unpardonable sin, simply because as long as a sinner remains in unbelief he voluntarily excludes himself from pardon. Others regard the expression as designating the sin of attributing to the power of Satan those miracles which Christ performed, or generally those works which are the result of the Spirit's agency.
Easton's 1897 Bible Dictionary

I believe that this is what you are looking for, given the example that you cited.


TW

Profane or contemptuous speech, writing, or action concerning God or anything held as divine.
2) any remark or action held to be irreverent or disrespectful

SYN.--blasphemy, the strongest of the following terms, is used esp. of any remark deliberately mocking or contemptuous of God;
profanity extends the concept to irreverent remarks referring to any person or thing regarded as sacred; swearing and cursing, in this connection, both refer to the utterance of profane oaths and imprecations, the latter, esp., to the calling down of evil upon someone or something.

I guess i should word it this way what do you think could be this unforgivable sin? where there is no repentance?

with no hope?

My answer would be similar to TW's;

To continually reject salvation offered to us by and through Christ and die in sin.

Here is a footnote taken from my Nelson Study Bible on these verses: Matthew 12:31-32……”The sin which will not be forgiven is the stubborn refusal to heed the Holy Spirit’s conviction and accept the forgiveness that Christ offers. Particularly in reference to the leaders of Israel, Jesus had offered them all the proof that could be expected----the ministry of John, the testimony of the Father, the prophecies of the Old Testament, His own testimony, and the substantiation of the Holy Spirit. Because the leaders rejected all proofs regarding Jesus as Messiah, nothing else would be given.”

In context of the entire account of Matthew 12:22-32, the pharisees were attributing the works of the Holy Spirit to Satan. The rebuttal from Jesus clearly dealt with speaking against the Holy Spirit in particular.

We often overcomplicate the plain meaning of scripture text. The Holy Spirit is to be reverenced to the uttermost. Remember when Simon (the sorcerer) tried to purchase the Holy Ghost and he was instructed to pray that he might be forgiven his disrespect toward the Spirit?

To be disrespectful toward the Son of God is one thing, but to be disrespectful toward the Holy Spirit is warned against.

pa

There is more depth of understanding that to simply say that saying something against the Holy Spirit is the unforgivable sin. and to simply say that the sin that is not repented of is blasphemy against the holy spirit; is also falling short.

Just finished a class with my GAP group at Sunday School, and it took three 45 minute lessons to fully develop the understanding. Let me try in a few sentences and paragraphs.

The context is that the people were saying/asking if this could be the messiah. the pharisees were there and wanted to quell the seekers and those laymen making the questions and wanting to know.

by attributing to evil, the work of the holy spirit, that was being wrought through Jesus, they were denying the entire Godhead. They were denying Jesus Messiah-ship. they were denying His Godhead, and that of the Holy Spirit and they were denying God all at the same time, by "blaspheming the Holy Spirit".

So with this rejection, comes a hardened heart and non-repentance. with non-repentance, come no-salvation. without salvation, there can be no restored relationship with God. probably not good enough for some, but the essence has been mentioned. the sin that has no repentance, can't be asked for forgiveness.