Jude 2

I was made aware of this article. I think it speaks volumes.

KB

http://www.13wmaz.com/news/local_story. ... ryid=51266




Last Update: 4/14/2008 7:07:18 AM
Author: Rebecca Stewart

Many people confuse management and leadership. Just because all managers should be leaders, it doesn't follow that all leaders should be managers. Think of it this way, we lead people, we manage things.

I manage my schedule. I manage my finances. I manage my weight (sometimes!) but I cannot manage my children. I cannot manage my employees, and I surely cannot manage my wife. Warren bennett wrote a book entitled: "Managing People is Like Herding Cats" . It just cannot be done.

Leadership is getting things done through other people. If I want my kids to behave, or my employees to produce or my wife to understand me, I have to "lead" them to that result. And of course, there are three ways to do this: Force, manipulation and service.

Force is a very popular form of leadership. I can grab my grandson by the ear and "lead" him to study, but the minute michael sees the fish jumping in the lake, he's gone.

Manipulation used to be very popular among car salesmen. They would "lead" you to believe you could afford this car by extending the monthly payments into 6 or 10 years.

Service is the only kind of leadership that's worthy of the name. If I'm going to lead you to do something I want you to do, I have to "serve" your needs. I have to be of service to you. This means I have to listen to you. I have to answer your questions. I have to be concerned for your safety and your welfare and your future. I have to establish an honest and lasting relationship with you, so that you will have every reason to trust me. And believe that I will never violate that trust.

Leaders who practice this kind of leadership are called "servant leaders". They don't lead by force or by manipulation. They lead by service, and they are the only ones, at the end of the day, whom we honor.

KBevangelist wrote:I was made aware of this article. I think it speaks volumes.

KB

http://www.13wmaz.com/news/local_story. ... ryid=51266




Last Update: 4/14/2008 7:07:18 AM
Author: Rebecca Stewart

Many people confuse management and leadership. Just because all managers should be leaders, it doesn't follow that all leaders should be managers. Think of it this way, we lead people, we manage things.

I manage my schedule. I manage my finances. I manage my weight (sometimes!) but I cannot manage my children. I cannot manage my employees, and I surely cannot manage my wife. Warren bennett wrote a book entitled: "Managing People is Like Herding Cats" . It just cannot be done.

Leadership is getting things done through other people. If I want my kids to behave, or my employees to produce or my wife to understand me, I have to "lead" them to that result. And of course, there are three ways to do this: Force, manipulation and service.

Force is a very popular form of leadership. I can grab my grandson by the ear and "lead" him to study, but the minute michael sees the fish jumping in the lake, he's gone.

Manipulation used to be very popular among car salesmen. They would "lead" you to believe you could afford this car by extending the monthly payments into 6 or 10 years.

Service is the only kind of leadership that's worthy of the name. If I'm going to lead you to do something I want you to do, I have to "serve" your needs. I have to be of service to you. This means I have to listen to you. I have to answer your questions. I have to be concerned for your safety and your welfare and your future. I have to establish an honest and lasting relationship with you, so that you will have every reason to trust me. And believe that I will never violate that trust.

Leaders who practice this kind of leadership are called "servant leaders". They don't lead by force or by manipulation. They lead by service, and they are the only ones, at the end of the day, whom we honor.

Rick Warren brings this up and shares a lot concerning the differences.

What is your thought, if you look at the overall pastoral ministry do you see more managers or leaders ?

paul wrote:What is your thought, if you look at the overall pastoral ministry do you see more managers or leaders ?

Managers!!!

However, I will say, there are some true servant leaders. Not everyone has caught on to that yet though.

KB

KBevangelist wrote:

paul wrote:What is your thought, if you look at the overall pastoral ministry do you see more managers or leaders ?

Managers!!!

However, I will say, there are some true servant leaders. Not everyone has caught on to that yet though.

KB

I sgree, I have always looked at Psalms 23. "He leads me......"

It is quite true that there is a major difference.

It is uniquely difficult for people to be leaders when they are encumbered with a great load of "to do's" instead of "hearing from God".

I am not saying what some of you anticipate that I might would say here. I am not saying there can't be leaders in denominational churches.....but I am saying that if the denomination takes "precedence" over the vision, then it tends to create more managers than leaders.

The word "Bishop" basically means "manager". Is there a need for managers? ABsolutely! Without question! There is no shame in being a manager......but leadership will create the NEED for managers.

Dr. Ron wrote:It is quite true that there is a major difference.

It is uniquely difficult for people to be leaders when they are encumbered with a great load of "to do's" instead of "hearing from God".

I am not saying what some of you anticipate that I might would say here. I am not saying there can't be leaders in denominational churches.....but I am saying that if the denomination takes "precedence" over the vision, then it tends to create more managers than leaders.

The word "Bishop" basically means "manager". Is there a need for managers? ABsolutely! Without question! There is no shame in being a manager......but leadership will create the NEED for managers.

well said, my friend

paul wrote:Rick Warren brings this up and shares a lot concerning the differences.

What is your thought, if you look at the overall pastoral ministry do you see more managers or leaders ?

I think both. There are certain things that need managed that the pastor should be at least involved in, but the core of MINISTRY responsibilities should be lead.

I also think it's important that we recognize these 3 types of leadership are very general, and I have seen Forced manipulation, manipulative service, and even forceful service and managed service.

We often think we are serving BY managing, but that is dangerous, and restrictive to those that are supposed to be following.

Dr. Ron wrote:It is quite true that there is a major difference.

It is uniquely difficult for people to be leaders when they are encumbered with a great load of "to do's" instead of "hearing from God".

I am not saying what some of you anticipate that I might would say here. I am not saying there can't be leaders in denominational churches.....but I am saying that if the denomination takes "precedence" over the vision, then it tends to create more managers than leaders.

The word "Bishop" basically means "manager". Is there a need for managers? ABsolutely! Without question! There is no shame in being a manager......but leadership will create the NEED for managers.

I agree Dr. Ron, and (since it's probably more of a denominational issue) I will have to say that those "to do's" are often expectations and traditions that are not based in ministry, and frequently are expected despite vision leading otherwise. Expectations are the greatest thing in need of management, deal with the fact that VISION must be the important thing, and expectations may not be met and there is a freedom to follow God rather than be tied up with obligations.

Management is easier, and safer, but it limits what can be done, and stunts the growth of those being managed, leading requires trust in those behind you to follow and is more based on relationship than authority.

Pastor Bill wrote:

Dr. Ron wrote:It is quite true that there is a major difference.

It is uniquely difficult for people to be leaders when they are encumbered with a great load of "to do's" instead of "hearing from God".

I am not saying what some of you anticipate that I might would say here. I am not saying there can't be leaders in denominational churches.....but I am saying that if the denomination takes "precedence" over the vision, then it tends to create more managers than leaders.

The word "Bishop" basically means "manager". Is there a need for managers? ABsolutely! Without question! There is no shame in being a manager......but leadership will create the NEED for managers.

I agree Dr. Ron, and (since it's probably more of a denominational issue) I will have to say that those "to do's" are often expectations and traditions that are not based in ministry, and frequently are expected despite vision leading otherwise. Expectations are the greatest thing in need of management, deal with the fact that VISION must be the important thing, and expectations may not be met and there is a freedom to follow God rather than be tied up with obligations.

Management is easier, and safer, but it limits what can be done, and stunts the growth of those being managed, leading requires trust in those behind you to follow and is more based on relationship than authority.

Bill, when I felt God calling me to birth World Mission, it started with a Vision. A vision beyond my capabiities. I felt God saying that the 10/40 wnidow area was where I was to concentrate and Muslim, Hindu's and Buddhist was the ones we were to reach.

As we began to grow and penetrate different countries with the 10/40 window it was very apparent that I could not dictate how to effectively reach these groups of people. Cultural difference , language barriers and so forth. This is where I depended on the local directors. I was dependant on them to seek God and come up with effective means of reaching their people.

As a resource center, we continued to keep the primary vision in focus for all our directors and pastors reaching the un-reached in the 10/40 window area. This encouraged them to not only reach their country and not to be self focused, but to also raise up missionaries to reach surrounding countries as well. We began to step up in providing resources. As you mentioned....bible colleges, then programs for the pastors and leaders, tools for ministry such as bicycles, transportation, Jesus films, projectors and eventually buildings and financial support to do the outreaches in their countries.

Our prayer is that the Pastors will be the visionary leaders of the churches and those leaders under them will help in the management of the local church and its programs.

paul wrote:

Pastor Bill wrote:

Dr. Ron wrote:It is quite true that there is a major difference.

It is uniquely difficult for people to be leaders when they are encumbered with a great load of "to do's" instead of "hearing from God".

I am not saying what some of you anticipate that I might would say here. I am not saying there can't be leaders in denominational churches.....but I am saying that if the denomination takes "precedence" over the vision, then it tends to create more managers than leaders.

The word "Bishop" basically means "manager". Is there a need for managers? ABsolutely! Without question! There is no shame in being a manager......but leadership will create the NEED for managers.

I agree Dr. Ron, and (since it's probably more of a denominational issue) I will have to say that those "to do's" are often expectations and traditions that are not based in ministry, and frequently are expected despite vision leading otherwise. Expectations are the greatest thing in need of management, deal with the fact that VISION must be the important thing, and expectations may not be met and there is a freedom to follow God rather than be tied up with obligations.

Management is easier, and safer, but it limits what can be done, and stunts the growth of those being managed, leading requires trust in those behind you to follow and is more based on relationship than authority.

Bill, when I felt God calling me to birth World Mission, it started with a Vision. A vision beyond my capabiities. I felt God saying that the 10/40 wnidow area was where I was to concentrate and Muslim, Hindu's and Buddhist was the ones we were to reach.

As we began to grow and penetrate different countries with the 10/40 window it was very apparent that I could not dictate how to effectively reach these groups of people. Cultural difference , language barriers and so forth. This is where I depended on the local directors. I was dependant on them to seek God and come up with effective means of reaching their people.

As a resource center, we continued to keep the primary vision in focus for all our directors and pastors reaching the un-reached in the 10/40 window area. This encouraged them to not only reach their country and not to be self focused, but to also raise up missionaries to reach surrounding countries as well. We began to step up in providing resources. As you mentioned....bible colleges, then programs for the pastors and leaders, tools for ministry such as bicycles, transportation, Jesus films, projectors and eventually buildings and financial support to do the outreaches in their countries.

Our prayer is that the Pastors will be the visionary leaders of the churches and those leaders under them will help in the management of the local church and its programs.

And THAT is leadership, if you'd have tried to manage all those local ministries you would have failed, but God lead you and you lead others, trusting in His control and His people. When you do that, great things happen, as you have testified to.

KBevangelist wrote:I was made aware of this article. I think it speaks volumes.

KB

http://www.13wmaz.com/news/local_story. ... ryid=51266




Last Update: 4/14/2008 7:07:18 AM
Author: Rebecca Stewart

Many people confuse management and leadership. Just because all

managers should be leaders, it doesn't follow that all leaders should be

managers. Think of it this way, we lead people, we manage things.

I manage my schedule. I manage my finances. I manage my weight (sometimes!) but I cannot manage my children. I cannot manage my employees, and I surely cannot manage my wife. Warren bennett wrote a book entitled: "Managing People is Like Herding Cats" . It just cannot be done.

Leadership is getting things done through other people. If I want my kids to behave, or my employees to produce or my wife to understand me, I have to "lead" them to that result. And of course, there are three ways to do this: Force, manipulation and service.

Force is a very popular form of leadership. I can grab my grandson by the ear and "lead" him to study, but the minute michael sees the fish jumping in the lake, he's gone.

Manipulation used to be very popular among car salesmen. They would "lead" you to believe you could afford this car by extending the monthly payments into 6 or 10 years.

Service is the only kind of leadership that's worthy of the name. If I'm going to lead you to do something I want you to do, I have to "serve" your needs. I have to be of service to you. This means I have to listen to you. I have to answer your questions. I have to be concerned for your safety and your welfare and your future. I have to establish an honest and lasting relationship with you, so that you will have every reason to trust me. And believe that I will never violate that trust.

Leaders who practice this kind of leadership are called "servant leaders". They don't lead by force or by manipulation. They lead by service, and they are the only ones, at the end of the day, whom we honor.

i am a manager at work. i do it for a living and my heart is not in it. because of this i very seldom lead. i manage.

at church and when i am doing Gods work, when given the chance i love to lead. (because my hearts in it) hope you see what i am getting at.

dawgs10 wrote:[
i am a manager at work. i do it for a living and my heart is not in it. because of this i very seldom lead. i manage.

This is a judgment on you, but I found that statement very sad. I can't imagine just doing a job. I can't imagine the feeling of spending a lot of my time doing something that my heart isn't into.

i dont like my job. but i work with my church in my ministry almost as many hours a week. i look at this as my calling. its not sad. its more like doing something that has to be done so i can do what i like and have a heart for.