Jude 2

Not sure if this one was posted, but the congregation did not like the newly appointed pastor so when he was at a conference the trustees changed the locks, this video shows him outside the church firing some trustees and then well you will see

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-QN5BeQ ... re=related

unreal, he hit a woman I mean it is bad if a man hits a woman whether hit or not but a pastor punching a woman, I know she hit him but that is no excuse, where is the fear of God.....

"where is the fear of God....."


on either side

Boy, she laid the smack on him.

There's that "turning the other cheek" that Jesus talked about so much . . .

one love wrote:Not sure if this one was posted, but the congregation did not like the newly appointed pastor so when he was at a conference the trustees changed the locks, this video shows him outside the church firing some trustees and then well you will see

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-QN5BeQ ... re=related

unreal, he hit a woman I mean it is bad if a man hits a woman whether hit or not but a pastor punching a woman, I know she hit him but that is no excuse, where is the fear of God.....

Where's the fear of God on either part. SHE struck the man of God....didn't God send bears to eat the "children" who were making fun of the man of God?

I remember how sorry we felt for a woman I worked with that came in with a black eye.....until I saw her husband not only did she start it, she beat him up bad and he finally defended himself!

A lot of times it is instinct to strike when struck. I always loved scaring my friend in the Marines....he was a huge black guy with a bald head....very intimidating on first glance....but he was so skiddish and superstitious...it was hilarious....but his knee-jerk reaction to most everything was to throw a punch. I'd sneak up on him, shout, poke, and run because he'd be slinging around with a punch.....knee-jerk reaction....that's all!!

Anyone of us might swing at someone if we were caught off guard!

I'm not saying it's right....but it seems to me that woman needed a smack up side the head!! She probably would have been one of the ones that Jesus horse-whipped in the Temple!! We forget about that sometimes.

im not justifying her action, she surley has a problem. She was in the wrong I still cant see him hitting her, if your member slapped you would you punch her?

wait a minute you might not want to answer that

Wow! Many questions are running thru my head.

Did the trustees file a complaint with the Bishop before all this happened?

Do the trustees honestly represent the voice of the congregation?

Why would a minister strike back?

As ministers are we not servant-leaders? He wasn't looking like a servant-leader in this video.

The right thing for the minister to do would be to lead by example. He should have went home and called his presiding bishop. And then let the law handle the matter. He made himself no better than the rebellious trustees by his actions.

stevenson wrote:Wow! Many questions are running thru my head.

Did the trustees file a complaint with the Bishop before all this happened?

Do the trustees honestly represent the voice of the congregation?

Why would a minister strike back?

As ministers are we not servant-leaders? He wasn't looking like a servant-leader in this video.

The right thing for the minister to do would be to lead by example. He should have went home and called his presiding bishop. And then let the law handle the matter. He made himself no better than the rebellious trustees by his actions.

be careful stevenson you are going to get brawled on for that answer, but I agree

Seems like elderly/old people with apparently no youth and no future fight over nothing.

This is why the youth and future are missing.

MacUser wrote:Seems like elderly/old people with apparently no youth and no future fight over nothing.

This is why the youth and future are missing.

Well stated!

one love wrote:im not justifying her action, she surley has a problem. She was in the wrong I still cant see him hitting her, if your member slapped you would you punch her?

wait a minute you might not want to answer that

My reaction would have been to restrain her. I am a former Marine and if I had any chance to see it coming I would have caught her by the wrist and stopped her. It has happened that way on a couple of occasions where someone tried to hit me.

One of my foster daughter's boyfriends came at me and I simply put him on the ground and held him until he calmed down.

Man of God or not....we are still men....and a certain amount of instinct does kick in.

I'm just being honest here....some of you are just too "Holy" for me I guess. Sorry I missed the halo and wings...

I'm sure not any holier than any other person on here. But someone has to be the bigger person in a situation like that.

If this was a dispute between a husband & wife would everybody that is cheering on the pastor being cheering on the husband? Would you say that the husband had the right to hit back? Nobody has the right to hit anybody. And unless your backed into a corner where you have to defend yourself....run, get away from the situation and call the authorities!

Just my 2 cents!

stevenson wrote:I'm sure not any holier than any other person on here. But someone has to be the bigger person in a situation like that.

If this was a dispute between a husband & wife would everybody that is cheering on the pastor being cheering on the husband? Would you say that the husband had the right to hit back? Nobody has the right to hit anybody. And unless your backed into a corner where you have to defend yourself....run, get away from the situation and call the authorities!

Just my 2 cents!

First...no one is cheering on anybody...you're taking things out of context.

Second...your comparing apples and oranges...but my answer is still the same...I would restrain her and hold her down until she calmed down.

Finally, I agree that the best situation is to walk away...but no one cared to address my "what ifs" what if it was knee-jerk reaction....

It just seems to me, like usual, people are quick to judge and condemn without knowing the full story....or considering the human aspect of fear and instinct to protect oneself...it's the basic fight or flight nature that is taught in psych 101.

We all want to "assume" that we'd be the "bigger" person....but what we need to do is come down off of our high horses and realize that unless we were there and being attacked that we don't "know for a fact" what we would do.

Sorry Pastor Daniel,
To address the what if's.... I understand what your saying. I'm one of those people that if you wake me suddenly, I start swinging. No idea why. I've just always been that way.
But to get back to your what if....after he took a swing at her. He continued to want to fight if you listen to what he's saying. So although I agree with your statement about sometimes it's instinct to strike back, he went beyond that.
And I also agree with this:

I remember how sorry we felt for a woman I worked with that came in with a black eye.....until I saw her husband not only did she start it, she beat him up bad and he finally defended himself!

But only fight back if your backed into a corner otherwise run.
And to answer this:

your comparing apples and oranges

Violence is violence! I know the old thinking that a man should never hit a woman. But the truth is nobody should hit anybody.

Watch this link.....you'll like it......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYsxACQLBdk&feature=related