Jude 2

Name, it claim it, rub your hind end across it. Joyce Meyers 23,000$ toilet.

Read about it HERE

prayer is happening.

Gerald thank you for that article I am glad you keep posting this stuff unreal. Man and many pastors dont even get health insurance

I would just like to say that -years ago when I was unenlightened- I contributed to that toilet seat.

I hope my section develops a splinter.

I think I'll claim it.

Just this once.

This is actually old news. And it probably won't make you feel too much better but the piece of furniture is not a toilet. It was a commode, interpreted to be a toilet but it's an antique chest of drawers.

http://www.philcooke.com/Joyce_Meyer_toilet

-Disclaimer - I'm not a giver or a supporter but someone paying $23K for an antique, I can't quite say it's a sin. Dumb, but not a sin.

DeWayneTN wrote:This is actually old news. And it probably won't make you feel too much better but the piece of furniture is not a toilet. It was a commode, interpreted to be a toilet but it's an antique chest of drawers.

http://www.philcooke.com/Joyce_Meyer_toilet

-Disclaimer - I'm not a giver or a supporter but someone paying $23K for an antique, I can't quite say it's a sin. Dumb, but not a sin.

Fair and Balanced.......

http://www.philcooke.com/Joyce_Meyer_toilet

It was an antique donated to her ministry specifically to sit in the lobby of her office.

The point is PEOPLE:

How can you work poorer people to fund your own Oppulence?

How can you harp on a widow or a person that lives pay check to paycheck to fund your ministry when you have a 23,000 DOllar ANYTHING????????????????????????????????????????????????????? whether donated or not?????

SOMEHOW if I was over a minsitry and I was looking at a 23,000 chest of drawers and I knew I needed 20,000 to fund a gospel project THE FIRST thing I'd do would be find a buyer for the antique chest.


Do you think a 23,000$ antique sits in a prefab office building??
Or do you think additional "costly array" accents it???

Gerald, I think this points out why folks get frustrated in discussions with you. No one is asking you to endorse Meyers but you totally dismiss your wrong assumption and then act like others are blind supprters by still not blasting her. Propaganda is propoganda. Period.

DeWayneTN wrote:Gerald, I think this points out why folks get frustrated in discussions with you. No one is asking you to endorse Meyers but you totally dismiss your wrong assumption and then act like others are blind supprters by still not blasting her. Propaganda is propoganda. Period.

yup, gonna agree there.
When I read the article, I thought - to myself that this doesn't' even sound like a toilet - a commode can be a chest of drawers. then I read your post.

I am in no way defending her with the following statement. As treasurer of our local church and of the CPPA ministry; I can not in good faith to the people who donate, use the money or items in any way other than asked. If there is a conflict, then I will take it up on myself to ask.


Without knowing more, it very well could be that someone donated (as mentioned) the antique specifically for the use in which it is being used.

I don't disagree that having a 23k item like this, in our circumstances, would be a huge luxury and something that I would have a discussion with the donator if possible in order to sell and redirect the monies to more needed area's in the ministry - or maybe use as a mission "investment" and buy a bunch of buildings for churches or orphanages in "third-world" locations.

but, if they did not want that to happen, then we would gladly keep the donated item and care fro it as necessary.

DeWayneTN wrote:Gerald, I think this points out why folks get frustrated in discussions with you.

Indeed? How so.

DeWayneTN wrote: No one is asking you to endorse Meyers....

Dewayne, When people ask me about Meyers I tell them she is absolutely great in some areas but totally bad in other areas.

DeWayneTN wrote:.....but you totally dismiss your wrong assumption

My wrong "assumption" was reading a report.

You seem to be assuming that an excessive "luxury item" is ONLY an excessive "luxury item" if it is an actual toilet.

DeWayneTN wrote:.....and then act like others are blind supprters by still not blasting her.

This is blatantly untrue.

A 23,000 luxury item is a 23,000 luxury item whether you rub your hind end across it or put your keys on it when you walk into the building.

DeWayneTN wrote:.....Propaganda is propoganda. Period.

And a 23, 000 luxury item is a 23,000 luxury item.

This one held in a special place while people that live payceck to paycheck are being pumped to give more.

Regardless of any of this I think the main object is to look at the abuse by so many with the "tax exempt status" Look at there salaries they are making wealthy incomes, more then lawyers and doctors and many buisness men at the expense of the gospel, all the while claiming to be non profit which can hurt us all. We dont need big brother taking that away from us. I am glad to know she did not buy a toilet though for 23k thank you Dwayne but does it really change anything? I am not judging her but I will say I do not agree with the methods of these wealthy preachers. The richest of them all scream "sow your seed" more then anyone and more then anything else they say.
I here people say here all the time that they got tired of hearing about "The Church/ ship" more then the "Captain" yet these people mention money, finances, Jesus wants you to be rich so sow a seed to our ministry....etc and that is not bothersome? Preaching Christ and the church go hand in hand if done correctly but preaching nothing but money is just deception. How is it better to hear more about money then about the other things that bother so many?

Just a thought thank you for the follow up guys with the correct info

C'mon Gerald. It's not that hard. Repeat after me...

"Okay y'all. I goofed. It was not a toilet. And since it was donated perhaps there are extenuating circumstances. Still... the fact that ministries have $23,000 antiques decorating their offices, to me is .... (fill in the rest)."


I think that is the contrast Dewayne had in mind.

Poimen wrote:C'mon Gerald. It's not that hard. Repeat after me...

"Okay y'all. I goofed. It was not a toilet. And since it was donated perhaps there are extenuating circumstances. Still... the fact that ministries have $23,000 antiques decorating their offices, to me is .... (fill in the rest)."


I think that is the contrast Dewayne had in mind.

The information was wrong simply upon the nature of the luxury item.

I don't know about you but I've never owned a 23,000 anything.
My most expensive car was just over 12 (now totaled by ex).

And yet who is pumped to give? and give and give some more?
People just like me and on a lesser income.

Using the information I had I was wrong.

But luxury at the expensive of offerings is an evil as old as Balaam.

And THAT evil has become the new gospel.

It was an antique donated to her ministry specifically to sit in the lobby of her office.

I'm not a Joyce Meyer fan but giving credit, being giving something is a big difference from buying something. Seem like mud in alot of our faces. Oh me. Ingorance and not knowing the rest of the story is a hard pill to swallow sometimes!