Jude 2

Karen wrote;

"Judaizers?

'Excuse me.........but Jesus (Yahsuah) was and still is a JEW."


And it got me to wondering? Jesus was born into this world of a mother who was of Jewish descent and while on earth was considered a Jew. But now, it just doesn't seem right to say that "God is a Jew".

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I believe He is a Jew, and always will be a Jew. In fact, He will sit on the throne of David during the Millenial reign showing Himself the Jewish Messiah and King.

yes, the Messiah (Jesus the Christ) is a Jew.
is God a Jew? - no, I can't say that I believe that God is a "Jew", only His incarnation as Human.

To say that God is a Jew, is to say that God is human. I can't go there.

And that is the reason I cannot say Jesus IS a Jew. While here on earth in a human body, yes, but when He returned to Heaven after the transfiguration He was no longer part human, but total God.

And when He returns to earth He is not returning as a Messiah, nor a human, but as a Judge and Ruler. The Jews (and the world) was promised only one appearance of Jesus as a 'Messiah'.

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I am not sure exactly what it means to be raised in a state of "incorruption". I read in 1 Cor. 15 that when Christ was raised He was raised spiritual. vs 44 said the body is sown natural but raised spiritual. What does that mean in real life terms? I have no idea. Is Jesus resurrected body a real flesh and blood human body? I would say no because of these next verses. But hey I don't even have a understanding what it truly means for us and believers to "walk in the spirit" so i know that I can not grasp what it means to be raised a spirit.

Is Jesus "still" a Jew? I would almost want to say no because He is raised and transformed from corruptible to incorruptible.

What do you guys get from these scriptures?

1 Cor. 15:39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.

40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.

41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.

42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

If you hold to a futurist view of end-times prophecy, Rev. 5:5 explains that the Lion of Judah will open the book and the seven seals. If He is to be then the "Lion of Judah", it seems to me that He will then be Jewish, and that His resurrection did not change that. To say from that "is God a Jew?" is taking liberty with the nature of Jesus after His resurrection. There's no indication that He is not still human after His death and resurrection. His fully divine and fully human nature remains as far as I can see. I think it is necessary for His priestly role, too. And, as to that, He is said to be a priest "forever" after the order of Melchizidek, is He not? Just some thoughts.

Humanness does not mean corruptible forever. We shall all be changed. That doesn't mean not-human, does it?

Mister Ed wrote:And that is the reason I cannot say Jesus IS a Jew. While here on earth in a human body, yes, but when He returned to Heaven after the transfiguration He was no longer part human, but total God.

And when He returns to earth He is not returning as a Messiah, nor a human, but as a Judge and Ruler. The Jews (and the world) was promised only one appearance of Jesus as a 'Messiah'.

Mister Ed,

I'm sure it's just a misunderstanding of your intentions on my part, but I have some real difficulty with your comments from a biblical and theological point of view.

1st of all, the incarnation did not cease with the ascension. God forever became man in the person Jesus Christ. He is now a glorified man, but still a man.

2nd, he was never part man, he was fully man. Else was not truly man at all.

3rd, He always was, is, and shall remain truly God, that is divine. So that He is both true man and true God in His one person.

4th, according to the witness of Scripture, from the mouths of angels, this same Jesus the disciples saw ascned from the earth into heaven will come again. That Jesus was a ressurected Jewish man, and Messiah. That's what went up. That's what comes down.

RamboPreacher wrote:yes, the Messiah (Jesus the Christ) is a Jew.
is God a Jew? - no, I can't say that I believe that God is a "Jew", only His incarnation as Human.

To say that God is a Jew, is to say that God is human. I can't go there.

Well, let me ask then, Is Jesus God? Is Jesus Messiah? Is Jesus a Jew?

Poimen wrote:

RamboPreacher wrote:yes, the Messiah (Jesus the Christ) is a Jew.
is God a Jew? - no, I can't say that I believe that God is a "Jew", only His incarnation as Human.

To say that God is a Jew, is to say that God is human. I can't go there.

Well, let me ask then, Is Jesus God? Is Jesus Messiah? Is Jesus a Jew?

Communicatio idiomatum, and hypostatic union are my answers.

So, I'll take that as a yes.

So then, If Jesus is God, and Jesus is a Jew, then God (at least in the person of Jesus) is a Jew.

Poimen wrote:So, I'll take that as a yes.

So then, If Jesus is God, and Jesus is a Jew, then God (at least in the person of Jesus) is a Jew.

nope - you took it incorrectly.
I gave you my answer.
The Incarnation is Jesus, born of a Jewish Mother, raised incorruptible, in His same body, though glorified. God, though is not a Jew. Fully God and Fully Man. Attributes of God accepted as Man, Attributes of Man accepted as God. Jesus is a Jew, God is not. The Creator of all has no lack, and is not limited to a particular culture, and tradition that wasn't even around at the time of our human-kind beginning/existence.

my 2 cents.

RamboPreacher wrote:

Poimen wrote:So, I'll take that as a yes.

So then, If Jesus is God, and Jesus is a Jew, then God (at least in the person of Jesus) is a Jew.

nope - you took it incorrectly.
I gave you my answer.
The Incarnation is Jesus, born of a Jewish Mother, raised incorruptible, in His same body, though glorified. God, though is not a Jew. Fully God and Fully Man. Attributes of God accepted as Man, Attributes of Man accepted as God. Jesus is a Jew, God is not. The Creator of all has no lack, and is not limited to a particular culture, and tradition that wasn't even around at the time of our human-kind beginning/existence.

my 2 cents.

Use another attribute of Jesus -- He had hands and feet. Does He still have hands and feet? If so, does that mean "God has" hands and feet? Teeth? Is He right handed or left?