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Dr. Ron's favorite man was in Springfield today...

Postby EagerBeaver » July 30th, 2008, 7:53 pm

Barack Obama spent the day here in Missouri, and as a reporter for the local newspaper, I was given the opportunity to cover the event.

I won't get into the event much but I do have a review as well as photos that I shot with my new Canon Digital Rebel XTi on my website.

Personally I believe this visit shows Obama is really trying to wrestle away a ton of Republican votes. There are a ton of swing voters here in Missouri, and with Springfield being more conservative than Kansas City or St. Louis in general, our town is a huge pickup for whomever can win it in the upcoming election.

I like Obama's economic policies but not his moral policies...and for many voters in the upcoming election, it's gonna come down to what you value more: your wallet or your convictions.
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Postby Dr. Ron » July 31st, 2008, 5:46 am

I am constantly amazed at people who say they like his econ. I must be blind and deaf.

I can't for the life of me, figure this out.

The man is guaranteeing that he will raise taxes......and yes it will be across the board.
He is guaranteeing to reduce the defense budget, create more government control over schools (i.e. additions to the education dept.) , more influence by the IRS, NO drilling in the Anwar, more government SPENDING on every kind of concievable entitilement program that exists and providing many that don't, redistribution of wealth on a scale only equaled in communist countries, a cessation of agression against any form of terrorism,

This post may cost CRC a championship ring, but I really don't get it. I wish you would take the time to explain what it is you "like" about his econ.
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Postby EagerBeaver » July 31st, 2008, 6:03 am

Dr. Ron wrote:I am constantly amazed at people who say they like his econ. I must be blind and deaf.

I can't for the life of me, figure this out.

The man is guaranteeing that he will raise taxes......and yes it will be across the board.
He is guaranteeing to reduce the defense budget, create more government control over schools (i.e. additions to the education dept.) , more influence by the IRS, NO drilling in the Anwar, more government SPENDING on every kind of concievable entitilement program that exists and providing many that don't, redistribution of wealth on a scale only equaled in communist countries, a cessation of agression against any form of terrorism,

This post may cost CRC a championship ring, but I really don't get it. I wish you would take the time to explain what it is you "like" about his econ.


Your post won't cost CRC a ring...it's a football simulation so your team stands a 50/50 chance at winning it all.

He actually stated yesterday that he would not enforce new taxes for families making less than $100 grand (I think that was the figure, I have it on tape so I'll have to look it over again soon). Stark contrast to McCain's tax cuts for the wealthy, wealthy corporations that outsource, etc.

He hit it right on the head when he said that if we drill for oil here we won't achieve full production for about 20 years. And then the cost of oil will be so high that the cost will not be justified. He spoke of limiting the power of speculators on the market and putting our efforts forth to seek out renewable energy. He DID also say, however, that it is a major problem right now to try to achieve that goal because so many people are in such a financial bind they can't get out of their current situations to try to buy more fuel efficient vehicles, etc.

I think he might have a better fiscal policy than McCain, which I don't necessarily see as four more years of Bush but it's pretty dang close.
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Postby rjjunior » July 31st, 2008, 6:10 am

yeah, but he wants a second stimulus! :wink:

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Postby Pastor Bill » July 31st, 2008, 6:13 am

It's interesting how they can provide numbers for those that won't be effected by the tax INCREASES Obama mentiones, but then just use the hype "Wealthy" for the cuts mentioned by McCain. I think you are very much oversimplifying here, there will be increases to support what Obama has promised, and the accusations of it only effecting the "wealthy" don't take into consideration that those below that cut off of already get more back than they pay in.

Then he insists it will take to long to drill and refine our own oil, but alternative sources are going to be any faster? We need to do both, we need to look at alternatives, but at the same time we need to lessen our dependence on foreign oil.
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Postby Pastor Bill » July 31st, 2008, 6:24 am

P.S. As for McCain being close economically to "4 more years of Bush" I'd have to say Bush has put more money back in my pocket after taxes than Clinton ever did.
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Postby Dr. Ron » July 31st, 2008, 6:26 am

Beav.

I implore you to really look at his words and match them to the real issues.
Bush is being blamed for not taking care of this business....but may I suggest to you that the Dem. controlled congress has had 4 years to "correct" any Bush mistakes.....lol

They have a 9% approval rating. That is the lowest in history! They all (rep,and dem) need to be fired and all new people elected if you ask me.

Of course it will take some time for the oil production to work.....that was what the dems said 20 years ago.....what if we had done it then....may not be in this mess. We have to look long term as well as short term. As for oil speculation, once we say we are going to drill, the price started coming down.

He has no redeeming value as a capable leader. He has done nothing of worth his entire career. He will NOT serve this country. Trust me....when a man says that in the event things go sour, he will stand with the Muslims, I don't want him.........not to mention his total lack of concern for unborn Americans.

My God how can people be so blind.???

NO offense to you my friend...but you really need to take those glasses off and see the real issues. I didn't want McCain, but I think I can sleep at night without fear.... with Obama, I would be a nervous wreck.
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Postby paul » July 31st, 2008, 6:59 am

I don't give much attention to the vast number of emails Fw: to me, but this one did catch my attention. Especially in light of Obama's recent refusal to visit the wounded soilders when he found out that cameras would not be permitted to go in the hospital with him. So the folowing letter did not seem to be out of character for the Senator

Subject: A friend who is serving in Afghanistan

This is a first hand account from the nephew of one of our friends.

I don't know each of your personal political convictions, and apologize if
anyone finds this offensive. I thought it was important enough to share.
This is Jeff's first hand view of Senator Obama.

Tiffany

---------- Forwarded Message ----------
Hello everyone,
As you know I am not a very political person. I just wanted to pass along
that Senator Obama came to Bagram Afghanistan for about an hour on his visit
to 'The War Zone'. I wanted to share with you what happened.
He got off the plane and got into a bullet proof vehicle, got to the area to
meet with the Major General (2 Star) who is the commander here at Bagram.

As the Soldiers were lined up to shake his hand he blew them off and didn't
say a word as he went into the conference room to meet the General. As he
finished, the vehicles took him to the ClamShell (pretty much a big top tent
that military personnel can play basketball or work out in with weights) so
he could take his publicity pictures playing basketball. He again shunned
the opportunity to talk to Soldiers to thank them for their service.

So really he was just here to make a showing for the American's back home
that he is their candidate for President. I think that if you are going to
make an effort to come all the way over here you would thank those that are
providing the freedom that they are providing for you.

I swear we got more thanks from the NBA Basketball Players or the Dallas
Cowboy Cheer leaders than from Senator, who wants to be the President of the
United States . I just don't understand how anyone would want him to be our
Commander-and-Chief. It was almost that he was scared to be around those
that provide the freedom for him and our great country.

If this is blunt and to the point I am sorry but I
wanted you all to know what kind of caliber of person he really is. What you
see in the news is all fake.

In service,
CPT Jeffrey S. Porter
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TF Wasatch
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Re: Dr. Ron's favorite man

Postby darylscook » July 31st, 2008, 7:01 am

EagerBeaver wrote:
He hit it right on the head when he said that if we drill for oil here we won't achieve full production for about 20 years. And then the cost of oil will be so high that the cost will not be justified. He spoke of limiting the power of speculators on the market and putting our efforts forth to seek out renewable energy. He DID also say, however, that it is a major problem right now to try to achieve that goal because so many people are in such a financial bind they can't get out of their current situations to try to buy more fuel efficient vehicles, etc.

I think he might have a better fiscal policy than McCain, which I don't necessarily see as four more years of Bush but it's pretty dang close.


But see the price of oil is going up today because of speculators and the fear of not having oil in 10 - 20 years. If we made an announcement today that we would start drilling for oil on our coasts and more in ANWAR, they the cost of oil would drop like a rock. We have plenty of oil today it is 20 years down the road, that we are concerned about.

I remember the time Bill Clinton said they were going to TAX the rich. We found out a lot more people were rich than they though :-P

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Postby Dr. Ron » July 31st, 2008, 7:07 am

You have all posted correctly.

And the man lied about the Pentagon. My heavens, that is enough to get me riled up! To overlook the brave men and women who protect this idiot because the cameras were not allowed was bad enough, but then to blame the "oversight" ont the pentagon was very close to being treason.

Thank God Gen. Petreous didn't let that happen. He held him accountable.
Go General!!!

Nope, this man has not ONE redeeming characteristic.

He would have won the hearts of many military men and women, had he gone in the hospital unanounced, knelt beside some of those people, even if it were only the black soldiers, and said, I appreciate the job you have done. But the fact is , he is afraid of the military.
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Postby EagerBeaver » July 31st, 2008, 7:16 am

paul wrote:I don't give much attention to the vast number of emails Fw: to me, but this one did catch my attention. Especially in light of Obama's recent refusal to visit the wounded soilders when he found out that cameras would not be permitted to go in the hospital with him. So the folowing letter did not seem to be out of character for the Senator

Subject: A friend who is serving in Afghanistan

This is a first hand account from the nephew of one of our friends.

I don't know each of your personal political convictions, and apologize if
anyone finds this offensive. I thought it was important enough to share.
This is Jeff's first hand view of Senator Obama.

Tiffany

---------- Forwarded Message ----------
Hello everyone,
As you know I am not a very political person. I just wanted to pass along
that Senator Obama came to Bagram Afghanistan for about an hour on his visit
to 'The War Zone'. I wanted to share with you what happened.
He got off the plane and got into a bullet proof vehicle, got to the area to
meet with the Major General (2 Star) who is the commander here at Bagram.

As the Soldiers were lined up to shake his hand he blew them off and didn't
say a word as he went into the conference room to meet the General. As he
finished, the vehicles took him to the ClamShell (pretty much a big top tent
that military personnel can play basketball or work out in with weights) so
he could take his publicity pictures playing basketball. He again shunned
the opportunity to talk to Soldiers to thank them for their service.

So really he was just here to make a showing for the American's back home
that he is their candidate for President. I think that if you are going to
make an effort to come all the way over here you would thank those that are
providing the freedom that they are providing for you.

I swear we got more thanks from the NBA Basketball Players or the Dallas
Cowboy Cheer leaders than from Senator, who wants to be the President of the
United States . I just don't understand how anyone would want him to be our
Commander-and-Chief. It was almost that he was scared to be around those
that provide the freedom for him and our great country.

If this is blunt and to the point I am sorry but I
wanted you all to know what kind of caliber of person he really is. What you
see in the news is all fake.

In service,
CPT Jeffrey S. Porter
Battle Captain
TF Wasatch
American Soldier


http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/afghanistan.asp

FALSE

Geez people, check your sources. The guy himself even recanted his message and asked folks posting it on blogs and forwarding it to stop.
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Postby scooter » July 31st, 2008, 7:26 am

John McCain Military 22 years Congress 26 Years

Barrack Obama Military 0 Congress 143 days

Summary Concluded.
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Postby EagerBeaver » July 31st, 2008, 7:26 am

I will say this though, and it was brought out by a local blogger here in Springfield:

Obama basically called McCain's campaign a bunch of racists, in essence, with the clip referenced here (I'll include text below):

Obama wrote:So nobody really thinks that Bush or McCain have a real answer for the challenges we face, so what they’re going to try to do is make you scared of me. You know, he’s not patriotic enough. He’s got a funny name. You know, he doesn’t look like all those other Presidents on those dollar bills, you know. He’s risky. That’s essentially the argument they’re making.


The video resides here:

http://blip.tv/file/1132434

Take a deep breath folks, because that in itself is enough to make me not want to vote for the guy. But I'm not voting McCain either. My convictions will not allow me to vote for a Rep or Dem in this upcoming election.
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Postby Pastor Bill » July 31st, 2008, 7:31 am

Eager, yes this was recanted, but notice what was said about it. He didn't recant what was said, but stated that it was only meant for his family, and that as they are pointing out that by including his name, rank and other information he was making a political statement that could get him courtmartialed.

This is one man's opinion to his family, describing the events as he understood them/saw them. Others had a different impression, and that's fine.
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Postby one love » July 31st, 2008, 8:45 am

Dr Ron you know as well as I that those that do not understand the effects of a tax increase will never get the big picture.
They toss the words"exteme wealthy and evil rich" around to make the average feel better, if we keep taxing them more they will take there buisness out of the country, then we scream and cry why we lose jobs.........

Look at his short voting record and compare it with what he has said, tell me what you find.....


BY the way when did those making 100k become rich? He says he will tax the rich but then says he will tax those that are 100k and up......that is not rich by any means.
Sad thing is tax increases would effect all those that pay taxes 25k and up


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