Corporal Punishment

[Paully_44]

I just read that corporal punishment is still legal in 21 states and used frequently in 13. I guess I am shocked that this is still a legal form of punishment in public school. For the teachers here, is this still used at your school?

[PastorDaniel]

The principal can administer a paddling in severe circumstances...IF... the parents have given permission in written form.

[dolfan]

1. I'm not a teacher, but I'll pipe in. Corporal punishment in schools is not a bad thing. I got popped a few times, and had it coming. It probably didn't work too well, but it worked well enough that I still remember each one, vividly.

2. Having said that I think teachers when I was a kid 30 years ago had a better perspective on how to handle kids. Let me clarify that --- ADULTS had a better perspective on how to handle kids. Not all this feel-good self-esteem-at-all-costs psychobabble gobbledygook you see today. The teachers I personally know today I wouldn't trust to administer corporal punishment to my kid. They don't have sense enough to pour water out of a boot with the directions written on the heel. That's just the truth. And, if they did it, I'd probably administer a little of my own, and that's just the truth, too.

3. I do not lump all teachers in this category, so please those teachers here, don't take offense. It may simply be that the public schools where I grew up and which produced the particular teachers I know and know of were just bad enough to turn out fools, and fools beget more fools. In fact, it is extremely likely to be so.

[dawgs10]

they have my permisson. didnt kill me!

[paul]

Texas just passed a bill allowing Teachers to carry concealed weapons to help prevent school shootings....So maybe a rod ain't so bad after all.

[Pastor Bill]

Yeap, how can we expect teachers to deal with their classrooms when we keep tying their hands on what they can do?

a spanking or paddling is not a bad thing, our school sent home a permission slip, I explained it to my kids and showed them I was signing it. I don't know how actively it is done (my kids haven't gotten one), but they also know if they get it at school, then they'll get it at home as well.

[darylscook]

Paddling is something teachers still do in our public school district. Now, it is the 4th or 5th item on the list. And, from looking at it, if they get to the paddling stage, well they probably need it.

TurboTim, when he was in our district last time, was THE paddler for his hall. The lady teachers got him to do the paddling. Tim, how often do you think students get paddled in your building each year?

Pastor Daryl

[DaJudge]

Having been on the receiving end of a paddle, I don't see the problem. When I got paddled, I needed it. I think it's terrible that teachers have had their authority neutered to the extent that students don't have any respect for (or at least a healthy fear of) their teachers. When I was a kid you DIDN"T want to go to the principals office. Now the little hellions just get on their cell phone with mommy and she has the family law firm file an injuction before the school can even give the kid detention.

[Paully_44]

Thankfully, i never had to deal with that as a student. Actually, I dont remember ever getting one either at home or at school.

In any event, I was just suprised that this is still a valid form of punishment. I just assumed that since it was no longer allowed.

[Pastor Bill]

Thankfully, i never had to deal with that as a student. Actually, I dont remember ever getting one either at home or at school.

In any event, I was just suprised that this is still a valid form of punishment. I just assumed that since it was no longer allowed.

I don't believe it's ever been disallowed, other than school policies (and many state education policies) but there are no laws against corporal punishment.

Unfortunately many don't understand that there is a difference between a spanking and abuse. I grew up living next door to abuse, and it is a pet peeve of mine when people call a little swat on the backside the same as what my friends went through, it's not the same, no where near the same, and shouldn't be classified anywhere near the same, yet often I hear cries of abuse at a simple spanking while the abused seem to slide through the cracks.

I worry about the day when this attitude fully takes over, look at the difference in children's behavior today when many "spare the rod" compared to the respect even 20-30 years ago, not to mention those 40-50 years ago that really understood respect and responsibility.

[Paully_44]

I don't believe it's ever been disallowed, other than school policies (and many state education policies) but there are no laws against corporal punishment.

According to the CNN site,

Corporal punishment in schools remains legal in 21 U.S. states and is used frequently in 13: Missouri, Kentucky, Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, Tennessee and Florida, according to data received from the Office for Civil Rights at the U.S. Department of Education and cited in the report.

It remains legal in only 21 states. I took that to mean it is now illegal in the other 29 states.

[Shellie]

No, no, no..don't paddle them. That is a barbaric way to control them when they get out of hand. Just give them Ritalin so they don't get out of hand. Problem solved.

If you can't beat 'em, zombie 'em.

[PastorDaniel]

No, no, no..don't paddle them. That is a barbaric way to control them when they get out of hand. Just give them Ritalin so they don't get out of hand. Problem solved.

If you can't beat 'em, zombie 'em.

I agree...heart damage from overuse of speed is a great alternative to a red bottom....

P.S. I know you were kidding. I'm being sarcastic as well.

[Pastor Bill]

Yes Paully, it is not legal within those school systems as a policy of the schools system statewide, but not a legislative matter that would effect anything outside of the school systems.

[dolfan]

No, no, no..don't paddle them. That is a barbaric way to control them when they get out of hand. Just give them Ritalin so they don't get out of hand. Problem solved.

If you can't beat 'em, zombie 'em.

Now that's funny!