Jude 2

ZACOG is live again now!

We (THD) were happy and privelged to do their design work (all except the flash work , aka intro, that is. That's NOT our work).

P.S. You will notice a link to "Halo" as the designers -- "Halo" is our Christian Orgs division of Tammy Hart Designs. We try to do all our churh related stuff through it. Just an FYI.

I am shocked to see that one of the officials and I shared a home church back in the late 60s.

ZACOG is not only alive, they are announcing "gains" in the form of accepting "leaders" who have been removed from positions in COGOP due to, shall we delicately say, operational improprieties.

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ZACOG is not only alive, they are announcing "gains" in the form of accepting "leaders" who have been removed from positions in COGOP due to, shall we delicately say, operational improprieties.

That's where their gains came from?

Pastorbps wrote:

ZACOG is not only alive, they are announcing "gains" in the form of accepting "leaders" who have been removed from positions in COGOP due to, shall we delicately say, operational improprieties.

That's where their gains came from?

At least in one case, with which I am very aware, there's a "new leader" in an area of the world who suddenly became available when he was disciplined in COGOP, had his license revoked and position terminated. He is now listed in their leadership appointments. That's some real evangelism at work...
(I am withholding the name from this post because the man is someone I consider a friend, and deeply regret his actions and the necessary REACTIONS.)

Poimen

We (THD) were happy and privelged to do their design work

Great Work

Pastor Gary wrote:

Pastorbps wrote:

ZACOG is not only alive, they are announcing "gains" in the form of accepting "leaders" who have been removed from positions in COGOP due to, shall we delicately say, operational improprieties.

That's where their gains came from?

At least in one case, with which I am very aware, there's a "new leader" in an area of the world who suddenly became available when he was disciplined in COGOP, had his license revoked and position terminated. He is now listed in their leadership appointments. That's some real evangelism at work...
(I am withholding the name from this post because the man is someone I consider a friend, and deeply regret his actions and the necessary REACTIONS.)

So that is why he (BB) was in the States.

Faith rider wrote:

Pastor Gary wrote:

Pastorbps wrote:

ZACOG is not only alive, they are announcing "gains" in the form of accepting "leaders" who have been removed from positions in COGOP due to, shall we delicately say, operational improprieties.

That's where their gains came from?

At least in one case, with which I am very aware, there's a "new leader" in an area of the world who suddenly became available when he was disciplined in COGOP, had his license revoked and position terminated. He is now listed in their leadership appointments. That's some real evangelism at work...
(I am withholding the name from this post because the man is someone I consider a friend, and deeply regret his actions and the necessary REACTIONS.)

So that is why he (BB) was in the States.

Thou sayest so.

What I like about ZACOG is their beautiful building pictured on the website.

But they don't show you the context.

JUnkyard on one side, abandoned gas station on the other (or somesuch) WAAAAY out on the highway out of town.

Movers and shakers there, I tell ya what.

beckrl wrote:Poimen

We (THD) were happy and privelged to do their design work

Great Work

I agree.. good job on the website.

Have to fight the envy spirit.

Coming from the Technically Savvy but Creatively Challenged Webdude

I try to keep myself at least basically informed of the branches as well as the little splinter groups that have come out of the original Church of God Movement, but the ZACOG is one that I don't think I totally understand the differences. For instance, what is the difference between ZACOG and TCOG? From what I can see, it would seem that ZACOG was in part built around a specific individual (at least at the beginning) who is now their top leader as well as being built on the old beliefs they feel the COGOP discarded. TCOG seems to also be built on those beliefs, but not built around a man.
ZACOG hints somewhat at excusivity in some of their "vision" statements, while TCOG just comes out and says it: "we are the one and only true church". ZACOG seems to hold to that as well, but states it in a more evasive, "politically correct" way. They seem to both hold to the same no jewelry and dress code stuff. They both really seem to be almost identical, just that TCOG seems to be more "loud" about it, while ZACOG seems to be looking for good PR. Am I off in my assessment?

Then that other group: TCOGNC. They seem to be identical to TCOG but just a little more "odd" or "eccentric" or something like that. They seem the same as TCOG, the only difference being that they are different people in a more localized area that pulled out of the COGOP at a different (earlier?) time.

ZACOG exists for one reason only: So Wade Phillips could be General Overseer of THE real true jin-ewe-whyne Church (even if he had to create a real true etc etc to be G.O. of)

My understanding of the differences between the ZACOG, TCOG, & COGOP:
ZACOG & TCOG neither one accept D&R- COGOP has declared exceptions
ZACOG accepts the wedding band but not other jewelry, TCOG allows no jewelry, COGOP doesn't make it an issue.
ZACOG believes in the concept of a visible, structured church but doesn't see itself as the exclusive Body of Christ. They seem to see the church more as a work in progress.
TCOG sees itself as the exclusive Body of Christ, chosen by God, and awakened by revelation from the "Dark Ages" at the beginning of this century.
COGOP sees THE church as invisible encompassing all true believers.

COGOP did believe they were the exclusive Body of Christ but slowly abandoned that position culminating at the beginning of the 1990's. This coincided with the acceptance of Jewelry and resulted in the formation of TCOG.

COGOP did teach against D&R for any reason but changed its position in 2004 with an official ruling in 2006. The changes of 2004 (Acceptance of members in D&R) led to the formation of ZACOG.

While some in TCOG felt lawsuits were necessary against the COGOP, ZACOG seems to have been opposed to TCOG's lawsuits against COGOP believing lawsuits against brethren to be against scripture. They seem to have been less concerned about jewelry & to have had a difference of opinion regarding the nature of the church resulting in them staying in the COGOP longer than TCOG.

Bro. Phillips was an outspoken opponent of the changes in the COGOP which resulted in his being banned from preaching in COGOP pulpits. The fact he had no place to preach seems to have led to his desire to see those who disagreed with the direction of the COGOP to organize thus giving him a place to preach. As far as his desire to be the GO, I really don't know. I've never asked him.

Does this seem like a fair analysis?

Pastorbps wrote:My understanding of the differences between the ZACOG, TCOG, & COGOP:
ZACOG & TCOG neither one accept D&R- COGOP has declared exceptions
ZACOG accepts the wedding band but not other jewelry, TCOG allows no jewelry, COGOP doesn't make it an issue.
ZACOG believes in the concept of a visible, structured church but doesn't see itself as the exclusive Body of Christ. They seem to see the church more as a work in progress.
TCOG sees itself as the exclusive Body of Christ, chosen by God, and awakened by revelation from the "Dark Ages" at the beginning of this century.
COGOP sees THE church as invisible encompassing all true believers.

COGOP did believe they were the exclusive Body of Christ but slowly abandoned that position culminating at the beginning of the 1990's. This coincided with the acceptance of Jewelry and resulted in the formation of TCOG.

COGOP did teach against D&R for any reason but changed its position in 2004 with an official ruling in 2006. The changes of 2004 (Acceptance of members in D&R) led to the formation of ZACOG.

While some in TCOG felt lawsuits were necessary against the COGOP, ZACOG seems to have been opposed to TCOG's lawsuits against COGOP believing lawsuits against brethren to be against scripture. They seem to have been less concerned about jewelry & to have had a difference of opinion regarding the nature of the church resulting in them staying in the COGOP longer than TCOG.

Bro. Phillips was an outspoken opponent of the changes in the COGOP which resulted in his being banned from preaching in COGOP pulpits. The fact he had no place to preach seems to have led to his desire to see those who disagreed with the direction of the COGOP to organize thus giving him a place to preach. As far as his desire to be the GO, I really don't know. I've never asked him.

Does this seem like a fair analysis?

Seems pretty fair, I am not sure the ZACOG accepts wedding bands though, I think they don't. Anybody here with ZACOG want to clarify.

Also, Wade Phillips was at one time WAAYYY left and even offended future TCOG people with some books he wrote and as such and really no chance of him going with that group. He made a SHARP right turn. Many here will really drive home that point.

God Bless You
Pastor Daryl

Man, I don't usually go to these sites, but for some reason I decided to go there....I can't believe some of these people in leadership though....AB White.....my goodness....

and the youth guy? Neil? What a waste...he is a good kid....but all of them are Wadeites.....

God bless em.

Wade got what he always felt he deserved.