In his own words....bankrupt the coal industry.....

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In his own words....bankrupt the coal industry.....

Postby jinjer » November 2nd, 2008, 1:13 pm

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladni ... l-industry

For your listening pleasure!!!!

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Postby Tim Elston » November 2nd, 2008, 1:27 pm

Carbon auctions are a good idea. They put the laws of economics into play to create incentives for reducing polutants. Obama's comment was specific to a coal company startup, not to established coal companies or to the industry as a whole. The idea is to create incentives for new energy companies to provide alternative clean energies. That's good, and it's one of the several Obama policies I support. McCain also supports carbon auctions.
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Postby soulsearcher » November 2nd, 2008, 2:10 pm

I have zero hearing regarding alternative anything from a man who supports the "right" to kill an unborn child.

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Postby one love » November 2nd, 2008, 2:17 pm

soulsearcher wrote:I have zero hearing regarding alternative anything from a man who supports the "right" to kill an unborn child.



you know it is kinda insane to support alternative energy with the premise of clean air , saving the environment etc. and support abortion at the same time.
How could the environment take more importance then a human life that is defenseless and innocent :shock:

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Postby Tim Elston » November 2nd, 2008, 4:41 pm

one love wrote:
soulsearcher wrote:I have zero hearing regarding alternative anything from a man who supports the "right" to kill an unborn child.



you know it is kinda insane to support alternative energy with the premise of clean air , saving the environment etc. and support abortion at the same time.
How could the environment take more importance then a human life that is defenseless and innocent :shock:


If he gets elected we have the choice to reduce his every action and thought down to abortion and be as obstructionist as we can against his policies, or we can take each policy on its own terms and support it or not on its own merits for the good of our country in those areas. I knew people who refused to give the Bush administration credit for its accomplishments in North Korea because of his failure in Iraq. They wouldn't give him credit for anything because through their lens everything was about Iraq. I think that is a mistake.

I do not understand Barack Obama when it comes to his support for not only abortion but also allowing children who survive abortion to die. It is most highly disturbing to me. If he gets elected, though, I am not going to spend the next four or eight years blind to every other of his policies that may be good for our country.

Many Republicans didn't and don't care that our bombs kill fetuses and children. If there is a perceived security threat, or even just a national feeling of patriotism to protect, that "collateral damage" is justified (i.e., those collateral unborn children--too bad for them.) Likewise with most Democrats, they perceive their agenda of irresponsible sex and throw-away life a matter of a woman's right to choose. In my book, it's not the woman's body; it's the fetus's body. A woman has a right to her body not having sex, but she shouldn't have a right to kill the man her body had sex with or the child she conceived with it.

But there is a warping of mind that happens when Republicans and Democrats frame the bombing, maiming, and aborting of children around their self-interested concerns. Humans have an amazingly scary capacity to justify the needless taking and maiming of human life when it is framed just right to them. That goes for Obama; it goes for me; it goes for you. I could just kill over it! But there wouldn't be many Republicans or Democrats left if I did. And I hope I never let my anger over our self-gratifying murders so debilitate me that I choose to obstruct every good policy a Republican or Democrat ever puts on the table.
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Postby KBevangelist » November 3rd, 2008, 5:21 am

Coal people are going crazy today, could this help McCain. I sure hope so.

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In his own words.

Postby Dr. Ron » November 3rd, 2008, 5:33 am

Tim. I fully understand what you have said. I take great offense to those who view President Bush as a total failure. I wouldn't vote democrate for that very reason any more than I would have voted republican because they bashed every thing Clinton did.

Our tendency as Americans is always to "throw the baby out with the bath water". I don't like that attituce either.

I have to say though, that I personally can't see more than 10% of Obama's policies being anywhere good for this country. I believe he is what he says he is.....in his words....and that scares the crap out of me. His policies will not be his but of those who influence him, groomed him. and own him.

John scares me in some ways, but I agree with his policies more. Taxation is NOT answer to any real issue. I could talk for days about that.
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Postby rjjunior » November 3rd, 2008, 10:20 am

Barack's positions...my support/opposition

    Abortion Rights: oppose
    Opposition to Defense of Marriage Act: oppose
    Affirmative Action: oppose
    "economic justice" (redistribution practices): oppose
    increasing fed spending: oppose
    nationalized healthcare: oppose
    fed. control of education: oppose
    no school vouchers: oppose

    promoting renewable energy: support
    against drilling off-shore: oppose
    global warming: oppose
    "sin is being out of alignment with your values": oppose
    talking with dictators w/o preconditions: oppose
    free trade: not really sure what he thinks (not that I'm sure about the rest)

    ethics reform: support
    restricting 2nd ammendment: oppose
    sanctuary cities: oppose
    amnesty: oppose
    minimizing border security: oppose
    cut and run in Iraq: oppose

    more troops in afganistan: support
    teaching children about homosexuality: oppose
    25% cut in defense: oppose
    no privatization of social security: oppose
    "post-modern" view of constitution: oppose
    judges that "have emotions and empathy" rather than judging according to the law: oppose
    higher taxes on $250,000...er...$150,000...er...$120,000...: oppose


*note: I reserve the right to flipflop on any of these positions...

3 out of 27 I support...hmm.

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It doesn't matter

Postby Pastor Gary » November 3rd, 2008, 11:52 am

Jinjer -- it doesn't matter what Obama's position is on any given issue. It doesn't matter at all in an election that is all about style over substance.

You could put a live video feed on every network of BHO french-kissing the Mayor of San Francisco at their wedding presided over by Rev. Jeremiah Wright, standing on a pile of aborted fetuses wrapped in the ashes of the burned U.S. Constitution and the supporters of BHO would not blink.

The fat lady is warming up... the show must go on.
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you surround them with your favor as with a shield." (Psalm 5:12)

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Postby soulsearcher » November 3rd, 2008, 12:28 pm

PG, you have called it as it is, friend. Nothing (as in NO THING) that could be revealed at this point in time is going to matter to the BHO crowd.


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