Jude 2

If you would be so kind please let me know why you think Cheney is a criminal..

one love wrote:If you would be so kind please let me know why you think Cheney is a criminal..

I can't remember exactly what I said. But assuming that I meant "high crimes and misdemeanors" that warrant impeachment, then I was referring to his authorization of the disclosure of Valerie Plame as a CIA agent in order to squash the truth about his fabricated claim that Saddam Hussein was trying to get Yellow Cake from Nigeria. I was referring to his order to the CIA to falsify a report that Iraq was connected to and giving refuge to an al-Qaida terrorist. I was referring to the no-bid contracts that he awarded to his business friends, at the expense of the American people.

He should be put in jail, but I'd settle for impeachment.

Onelove,

In order to understand Tim you must understand that he believes every left wing lie the media spins as incontrovertible. His erudite and accomplished writing skills give them a veneer of veracity.

Tim you are a real party pooper...

I was referring to his order to the CIA to falsify a report that Iraq was connected to and giving refuge to an al-Qaida terrorist

Though I don't remember just how many, but top leaders al-Qaide were caught in Iran as a result of the WAR.

I was referring to the no-bid contracts that he awarded to his business friends, at the expense of the American people.

When you are the only company with the resources to handle the job then they didn't have to bid out. Maybe some sort of better check and balance and I don't know that they didn't it.

The reason that I know that they were caught was that they showed them on the news.

Now if all the winnie babies were to talk to God about him then maybe he would not have had such a hand dealt to him. By the way if the one before him has of done his job (Clinton) Then just maybe they would not have attacked the Twin Towers. (3000)

Dick Cheney,

Tim I was hoping for specifics with evidence sense you made the comment. If you have any proof or articles that show proof I would love to hear it.
I have heard all these claims and they were all dismissed years ago. Reason why he was elected again.
Whether he was at the company or not they would have got that contract..
No proof about the CIA leas..
War crimes by the vice, come on... I guess Colin Powell needs to be locked away for his reports to the U.N.....Also many Democrats as well when they defended and voted to go there.

Anyway I appreciate your response thanks

one love wrote:Tim I was hoping for specifics with evidence sense you made the comment. If you have any proof or articles that show proof I would love to hear it.

You asked me why I thought Cheney was a criminal. I told you. I gave you three reasons. That satisfied your question, as asked. You didn't ask me to lay out a dosier of evidence. Scooter Libby was convicted in a court of law, but that didn't stop people like you from believing he was a victim of the media, did it? Some people don't accept evidence when their biases are at stake. You don't trust my judgment when it comes to Cheney or Bush or anyone else you presume to be a victim of those you perceive to be your party's political nemeses. But I'll make you a deal: you go peruse the evidence that convicted Scooter Libby and come back and tell me that he was guilty, and why, and then I'll be convinced enough that you care about evidence to present you with some concerning Dick Cheney.

One Love, you'll find Elston suffers from Bush Derangement Syndrome.

Tim Elston wrote:

one love wrote:Tim I was hoping for specifics with evidence sense you made the comment. If you have any proof or articles that show proof I would love to hear it.

You asked me why I thought Cheney was a criminal. I told you. I gave you three reasons. That satisfied your question, as asked. You didn't ask me to lay out a dosier of evidence. Scooter Libby was convicted in a court of law, but that didn't stop people like you from believing he was a victim of the media, did it? Some people don't accept evidence when their biases are at stake. You don't trust my judgment when it comes to Cheney or Bush or anyone else you presume to be a victim of those you perceive to be your party's political nemeses. But I'll make you a deal: you go peruse the evidence that convicted Scooter Libby and come back and tell me that he was guilty, and why, and then I'll be convinced enough that you care about evidence to present you with some concerning Dick Cheney.

I apologize for the confusion but that was what I was looking for not just the talking points of the media etc.
I do appreciate your response but you and I know if there was a case the media would never had stopped nor would have the Democrats. I also claim that you would have to hold Powell with the same content as well.

Now as far as party goes that is not actually true with me. I defended Bill Clinton many times though I disagreed with him. I look at things objectively..the best I can

For instance the "Clinton went to war t stop the Monica issue" I still think that is absurd, I agreed in going to Kosovo...

Anyway thank you for replying I was wondering what it was , I understand your position now

one love wrote:I apologize for the confusion but that was what I was looking for not just the talking points of the media etc.

Kevin, do you think that Scooter Libby was guilty?

one love wrote:I do appreciate your response but you and I know if there was a case the media would never had stopped nor would have the Democrats.

No, I don't believe that's the way it works. Pelosi and the leading Democrats chose not to pursue impeachment for political, not evidentiary, reasons. The major media more often than not blow past hard cases in the chase for the easy news cycle. Investigative journalism more often than not gets buried, and much of it never gains traction in the media. Since legally Cheney's crimes warrant impeachment rather than criminal litigation, due to his office, his case would be handled politically rather than criminally, and since the Democratic leaders did not want to go there, for policital reasons, the media did not pursue it.

one love wrote:I also claim that you would have to hold Powell with the same content as well.

No, I wouldn't. My judgment is that Powell was not in on the chenanigans of the VP's office. He was marginalized. I think he believed in the report he gave to the U.N. and had nothing to do with the VP's coercion of the CIA to gin it up.

one love wrote:Now as far as party goes that is not actually true with me. I defended Bill Clinton many times though I disagreed with him. I look at things objectively..the best I can

For instance the "Clinton went to war t stop the Monica issue" I still think that is absurd, I agreed in going to Kosovo...

You were doing better than I was at that time, because back then I believed everything Rush Limbaugh said. Good for you for not believing that trash.

one love wrote:Anyway thank you for replying I was wondering what it was, I understand your position now

I don't understand the wink, but you're welcome.

The wink was implying at least I can see where you are coming from and thanks

one love wrote:The wink was implying at least I can see where you are coming from and thanks

Thanks for the wink, then, but I'm not sure how you'd know where I am coming from, since I haven't told you. You know where I am, but you don't know how I got there--unless you're already aware of evidence and assume that it's what I'm going on. I'm not inclined to get into it with you, though, if you don't think Libby is guilty, because if evidence that convinces a court of law doesn't convince you, then the things that have convinced me wouldn't, either.

Tim Elston wrote: Thanks for the wink, then, but I'm not sure how you'd know where I am coming from, since I haven't told you...

Yeah sure, Tim, you are the wind, coming and going without being seen or understood...silent, but deadly...lol:

I'm sorry, Tim and everybody, I just couldn't resist...

Mike Vande wrote:

Tim Elston wrote: Thanks for the wink, then, but I'm not sure how you'd know where I am coming from, since I haven't told you...

Yeah sure, Tim, you are the wind, coming and going without being seen or understood...silent, but deadly...lol:

I'm sorry, Tim and everybody, I just couldn't resist...

Mike, you've got me down, man. I go where I list.