Jude 2

This is one of the most bizzare yet funniest things I have ever witnessed in my life. Go down the page and click on the video. I call her the snakelady. Don't let your kids watch it, they will have nightmares.

http://wyattroberts.blogspot.com/2008/0 ... stles.html

She and the men on stage are absolute nut jobs...

I woulda run too from all of her slobbering and flinging of spit everywhere...she might have had hepatitus B or Aids or anything...

I certainly wouldn't stick my neck out for this guy...

I watch it every now and again...just for laughs.

I think you should call her "shake lady"...Talk about a headache!

Irthnvesl,

Out of curiosity, are you opposed to shaking, jerking, and similar manifestations in the Spirit? or Are you simply evaluating this lady's manifestations as false?

pa

Pastorables, I don't consider shaking, quaking, falling down, foaming at the mouth, hissing, spitting, jerking, animal noises (I've seen someone crow like a rooster), rolling on the floor, tap dancing, break dancing, shouting or other similar activities to me 'manifestations of the Spirit'. If somebody CHOOSES to do that WITHOUT unbelievers present, more power to 'em. But Paul warned against doing such things in the presence of unbelievers that would cause them to think that Christians were barbarians.

Have you ever talked with someone who has never been exposed to this? They usually don't go back and I can't say I blame them. The purpose of the gifts of the Spirit are to edify the body. I would question HOW the above named activities edify the body. The Corinthian Church was doing the same sorts of things to 'build' SELF up to show how spiritual they were. That is not the nature of the gifts of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit seeks to build OTHERS up. Again, how did that woman, shaking her head violently back and forth, edify anyone?

Serious question.

irthnvesl wrote:Pastorables, I don't consider shaking, quaking, falling down, foaming at the mouth, hissing, spitting, jerking, animal noises (I've seen someone crow like a rooster), rolling on the floor, tap dancing, break dancing, shouting or other similar activities to me 'manifestations of the Spirit'.

I encountered one Pentecostal group who believe that such manifestations were demons that were manifesting.

Yet again Pentecostalism has delved into territory where there is ZERO Biblical support so either view cannot be supported-and yet staunchly defend it as the Gospel Truth.

I personally don't think it is demonic. But it certainly isn't consistent at all with how manifestations of the Holy Spirit are described in the Bible. The Holy Spirit builds up the body of Christ. I just don't see where that kinda stuff builds up the body. For many, many years it has really irritated me but the more I think about it the more I find it to be slightly amusing if not funny.

I might even give it a try...just start quaking or crowing or something here at the house. Who wouldn't want to kinda go out of your mind for a few minutes? It sounds kinda fun. Maybe we're all just a little bit crazy.

{shaking}
shshshssssss
words
shshshssssss
more words
shshshssssss
{/shaking}

it is interesting how the "Holy Spirit" is expressed, when perceived.

My neck was already hurting but after watching that I hurt more....

one love wrote:My neck was already hurting but after watching that I hurt more....

I am glad I wasn't the only one that felt that way.

don't get me wrong - I am not saying that when someone comes in contact (or they perceive that they are) with "ultimate power" (part of the meaning of the definition of religion), that they wont' react to it in different and interesting ways.

The difference in having an ecstatic, emotional experience and a truly religious experience, is the resultant change in ones life (or not, as the case may be).

anyway, I had to take an aspirin after watching that.

irthnvesl wrote:But Paul warned against doing such things in the presence of unbelievers that would cause them to think that Christians were barbarians.

If I remember correctly, this was dealing with speaking in tongues and I agree with you from that perspective.

Nevertheless, I have personally witnessed and been used of the Spirit in mysterious ways. I have even jumped pews under the influence of the Spirit. Does the Bible have a reference for that? No. However, on that night many filled the altar and some were saved after the Spirit worked in that manner. I would call salvation edifying. I have fallen into a trance in the Spirit. Does the Bible have reference for that? Yes. Personally, I am also of the persuasion that all the books of the world could not contain all that Christ performed concerning signs and miracles on earth. I just don't believe that we have a biblical example for every single manifestation of the Spirit, though the fact that the Spirit has a history of unique examples is well documented in both the Old and New Testaments.

I am not advocating wildfire and sensationalism. We all have witnessed that. Speaking of edifying though, there were many spiritual manifestations in the Bible that could have been considered strange and unnecessary by the public. I believe the public even accused Christ of casting out devils by Satan.

I don't claim to understand all of the unique workings of the Spirit, but be careful not to set yourself up as an armchair QB who judges the work of the Spirit from a relative opinion.

As for the girl shaking her head? I really don't know. I can't say that it harmed anyone in that particular forum. I have had the Spirit speak to me to dance in services. I would dance and before I knew it the Spirit would take control to the point that he was in control of the dance. I can't explain that, but I can't say anyone was harmed either; and it sure edified me as the joy associated was wonderful.

Blessings,
pa

irthnvesl wrote:Pastorables, I don't consider shaking, quaking, falling down, foaming at the mouth, hissing, spitting, jerking, animal noises (I've seen someone crow like a rooster), rolling on the floor, tap dancing, break dancing, shouting or other similar activities to me 'manifestations of the Spirit'. If somebody CHOOSES to do that WITHOUT unbelievers present, more power to 'em. But Paul warned against doing such things in the presence of unbelievers that would cause them to think that Christians were barbarians.

Have you ever talked with someone who has never been exposed to this? They usually don't go back and I can't say I blame them. The purpose of the gifts of the Spirit are to edify the body. I would question HOW the above named activities edify the body. The Corinthian Church was doing the same sorts of things to 'build' SELF up to show how spiritual they were. That is not the nature of the gifts of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit seeks to build OTHERS up. Again, how did that woman, shaking her head violently back and forth, edify anyone?

Serious question.

You may be on to something here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=at9MZ54Hst4

If you over look the guy's obvious pentecostal bias, he was freaked out by a pentecostal worship service.

valley wrote:

irthnvesl wrote:Pastorables, I don't consider shaking, quaking, falling down, foaming at the mouth, hissing, spitting, jerking, animal noises (I've seen someone crow like a rooster), rolling on the floor, tap dancing, break dancing, shouting or other similar activities to me 'manifestations of the Spirit'. If somebody CHOOSES to do that WITHOUT unbelievers present, more power to 'em. But Paul warned against doing such things in the presence of unbelievers that would cause them to think that Christians were barbarians.

Have you ever talked with someone who has never been exposed to this? They usually don't go back and I can't say I blame them. The purpose of the gifts of the Spirit are to edify the body. I would question HOW the above named activities edify the body. The Corinthian Church was doing the same sorts of things to 'build' SELF up to show how spiritual they were. That is not the nature of the gifts of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit seeks to build OTHERS up. Again, how did that woman, shaking her head violently back and forth, edify anyone?

Serious question.

You may be on to something here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=at9MZ54Hst4

If you over look the guy's obvious pentecostal bias, he was freaked out by a pentecostal worship service.

For a further note, I do not think this is a good guy to use. Perhaps you might want to listen to his sermon against college, its 1.25 hours of pure twisted preaching.

Valley, we are in agreement.