Jude 2

I told my wife as we were shopping that this was pure "craziness."

This makes my point

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,459068,00.html

I pray for this family

KB

What angers me is that there are already people blaming Wal-mart for the incident. How about we start blaming the PEOPLE that do things.

Shellie wrote:What angers me is that there are already people blaming Wal-mart for the incident. How about we start blaming the PEOPLE that do things.

Police were reviewing video from surveillance cameras in an attempt to identify who trampled to death a Wal-Mart worker after a crowd of post-Thanksgiving shoppers burst through the doors at a suburban store and knocked him down.

Criminal charges were possible, but identifying individual shoppers in Friday's video may prove difficult, said Detective Lt. Michael Fleming, a Nassau County police spokesman.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081129/D94OJ4NG0.html


This is an apt symbol of Modern day Pentecostalism: running after health and welath, and trampling the hurting.

Shellie wrote:What angers me is that there are already people blaming Wal-mart for the incident. How about we start blaming the PEOPLE that do things.

So you think criminal charges should be brought against a monster created by Wal-Mart? Every year damages occur at Wal-Mart's across the nation due to thousands of shoppers who rush into their respective store to snatch up one or two super bargains. Fights have even broken out among shoppers, etc. That a death would occur isn't really strange to me. Wal-Mart, knowing full well that these kinds of mobs happen every year, could find a much better way to generate sales and profits in my opinion. Either give the loss-leaders away in a raffle or offer more than two or three per location.

pa

pastorables wrote:

Shellie wrote:What angers me is that there are already people blaming Wal-mart for the incident. How about we start blaming the PEOPLE that do things.

So you think criminal charges should be brought against a monster created by Wal-Mart? Every year damages occur at Wal-Mart's across the nation due to thousands of shoppers who rush into their respective store to snatch up one or two super bargains. Fights have even broken out among shoppers, etc. That a death would occur isn't really strange to me. Wal-Mart, knowing full well that these kinds of mobs happen every year, could find a much better way to generate sales and profits in my opinion. Either give the loss-leaders away in a raffle or offer more than two or three per location.

pa

pa,
I'm inclined to agree with Shellie on this. Yes, I realize that Wal-Mart, and all other retailers, have reasonable responsibilities when it comes to situations such as this. Given the state of todays economy it is not reasonable to expect a retailer to not offer loss-leader items to lure customers into their place of business as opposed to going to a competitor. Historically, even when adequate supplies of an item were available (i.e. the Cabbage Patch dolls a few years ago), people have displayed their worst side . It's "mob psychology." When there are no repercussions for their actions the mob feels no need for constraint. They feel above the simplest rules of civilized behavior. However, when they know that they will be held accountable for their actions, the mob of 2000 ceases to be a mob and becomes 2000 individuals. When they know that they face legal action for their behavior their behavior changes.



TW

KBevangelist wrote:I told my wife as we were shopping that this was pure "craziness."

This makes my point

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,459068,00.html

I pray for this family

KB

I don't want anything that bad! People are more concern with buying junk than they are with the lives of human beings! Crazy!!

TW wrote:


pa,
I'm inclined to agree with Shellie on this. Yes, I realize that Wal-Mart, and all other retailers, have reasonable responsibilities when it comes to situations such as this. Given the state of todays economy it is not reasonable to expect a retailer to not offer loss-leader items to lure customers into their place of business as opposed to going to a competitor. Historically, even when adequate supplies of an item were available (i.e. the Cabbage Patch dolls a few years ago), people have displayed their worst side . It's "mob psychology." When there are no repercussions for their actions the mob feels no need for constraint. They feel above the simplest rules of civilized behavior. However, when they know that they will be held accountable for their actions, the mob of 2000 ceases to be a mob and becomes 2000 individuals. When they know that they face legal action for their behavior their behavior changes.



TW

So you expect 2,000 adrenaline pumped customers to line up quietly like children in kindergarten to get one of two or three 50 inch televisions offered at $798? I don't see it happening.

While I understand your point of view, I still say that society births these kinds of repercussions. It's like the family who raises the hellion by example and then accuses him to prison with blame. Our laws are way to warped to correct things now.

Of course, these are my opinions and it's not my intention to paint the mob of customers as completely innocent. I just think there's much more involved than a knee jerk response by authorities.

pa

Shouldn't the Police and Fire Dept.s be involved in these major shopping events? Fire Marshalls could dictate how many people enter the stores based on capacity.

Full Quiver wrote:Shouldn't the Police and Fire Dept.s be involved in these major shopping events? Fire Marshalls could dictate how many people enter the stores based on capacity.

I agree with this...and tend to agree that Wal-mart is at least partly to blame...you don't send ONE man to unlock the door for 2,000 hyped up crazies....while people should be more controled...Wal-mart is experienced enough to know that people do not control themselves unless controls are enforced...Wally World could have provided the security or at least paid the Fire Department or Sheriff's Department to do crowd control...

Well in my opinion the Fire Dept. and especially the Marshall and code enforcement people are really dropping the ball.

For example: Ever been in a Cracker Barrell? Tell me that store isn't too packed between the patrons and all the stuff/junk?

We went there with my family this morn and it was insane.

In Va Beach there were police in the walmart I went to. Walking around standing in certain spots and even checking receipts at the door.

I would think that anytime you had 2000 people at one spot for almost any occasion that there would be a "police presence."


TW