I am a member of the Band Parents Booster club.
The president of this club is a .. ...
Anyway Snice day one last May she has made issues with everything. She feels b/c she is the preisdent she has VETO power and we have to listen to every single word she said, and her word is law.
She has gotten mad at the book keeper, b/c she will not give her a blank check to get things she feels the band needs. As with all things the band needs, the band director makes a request and we see how much we can fund to the item, and how we can raise the rest of the money to get what they need. She never gotten a blank check and will not.
Last night I was taking to the Sectetary. ms betty emailed her and told her she is NOT ALLOWED to give the minutes out at the next meeting. That we do not need copies of them. (we have allways given copies out to anyone who wants them) She then tells Letha that her notes from the last meeting in OCt was wrong.
Letha notes have never been wrong, has never been questioned. Till now.
Ms Betty- president revised the notes to suit her. Told Lisa she had to use her version. I told Leatha that Betty is not the sec you are, and you are to read your notes.
We want to remove her from office but we have no clue how to do so. Our Bi-laws state that they are elected for the tearm of one year, Starting and ending in May. No where in the bi-laws dose it tell us how to remove a person from office, it tells us to refer to the Roberts Rules of Order.
Anyone have any advice
Band parent meeting tonight- advise needed
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You can get help with Robert's Rules on this forum:
http://www.robertsrules.com/mboard.html
Robert's rules protect the rights of the majority and no individual (president or not) has the right to impose his will on the body. I believe the minutes should be available to all members and any revisions to the minutes should be ratified by the assembly.
http://www.robertsrules.com/mboard.html
Robert's rules protect the rights of the majority and no individual (president or not) has the right to impose his will on the body. I believe the minutes should be available to all members and any revisions to the minutes should be ratified by the assembly.
"A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still." Anonymous
"Arguing with some people is like wrestling with a pig, at the end you are both filthy and exhausted –and you get the distinct feeling that the pig enjoyed the experience."
"Arguing with some people is like wrestling with a pig, at the end you are both filthy and exhausted –and you get the distinct feeling that the pig enjoyed the experience."
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The typical agenda for a meeting is to approve the minutes from the previous meeting before proceeding on to any new business. Roberts doesn't require it. Roberts does require, though, that the presiding officer (the president) of any assembly to execute (sign) all official acts of the assembly.
So, what you can do is, when the chairperson asks to bring up the first matter on the agenda for discussion, move to adjourn. A motion to adjourn stops everything else and must be voted on without debate or discussion. It has to be seconded, of course. Make absolutely sure you have a person willing to second the motion, and a majority of members who'll vote with you in support. Kill the meeting this way, and all future meetings, until the president gives everyone the right minutes.
That's hardball, but if you get enough people to do it, you can make her yield to your initial demands. As far as voting her out, it depends on the very precise, exact wording of the bylaws. ROR does not provide for removal without cause by a simple meeting. You can remove for cause but it is probably waaaay more complicated than you'll care to get into. It'd be easier to just force the will of the majority by gumming up the works until she caves. There are all kinds of ways that you can create havoc without a majority vote, slow things down, stall them, just really make a lot of people mad for fun. But, I won't go into that.
So, what you can do is, when the chairperson asks to bring up the first matter on the agenda for discussion, move to adjourn. A motion to adjourn stops everything else and must be voted on without debate or discussion. It has to be seconded, of course. Make absolutely sure you have a person willing to second the motion, and a majority of members who'll vote with you in support. Kill the meeting this way, and all future meetings, until the president gives everyone the right minutes.
That's hardball, but if you get enough people to do it, you can make her yield to your initial demands. As far as voting her out, it depends on the very precise, exact wording of the bylaws. ROR does not provide for removal without cause by a simple meeting. You can remove for cause but it is probably waaaay more complicated than you'll care to get into. It'd be easier to just force the will of the majority by gumming up the works until she caves. There are all kinds of ways that you can create havoc without a majority vote, slow things down, stall them, just really make a lot of people mad for fun. But, I won't go into that.
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The pres was late, so the VP open the meeting,
President came in, mad that we started the meeting with out her.
Minutes from last meeting read and approved. after the vote, she said she feels we need to change the minutes for she feel they are wrong. 6 poeple voted to ok them 3 voted not to (the 3 was her, her hubby and her daugher) b/c she is the president she felt she could veto our vote and we HAD to change it b.c she wanted it changed. It got hot there.
She was told it would not be changed that there were more yes votes vs no votes and the yes won.
She then hands the agenda out. OH MY WORD!! a page and half of things she wanted to cover in an hour.
If you want to see this I can scan it.
She has on there that [b]no one but HER [/b]can ask question on the minutes and treasure report. (that started a bad round of talk)
Note our meeting are to be one hour 6:30-7:30. She has on here if we leave a meeting before it was over and we did not tell her 1 time nothing will happen 2 time warning 3 time meeting with possible suspension.
We have never walked out. At 7:30 we say it 7:30 move to close the meeing, it is 2 and we leave.
HELLO this is not a Job this is a booster club. She cannot do this. She was even asked why this was on here, and where did she get this, she WOULD NOT tell us why or how this came about.
She wanted me to have a one on one meeting with her snice I was over the conession stand, Our biggest fund rasier at foot ball games. I told her I would not meet with her one on one.
She told me I had no right to say no, That if she asked me for a meetng it was my job to say yes. i lol i said wrong. I am not, will not meet with you alone.
She wants money, for copies she made. She will not tell us copies for what? She has not made any copies, and she was told at the start of this year, that all copies are to be made at school, so she would not have any cost.
She wants a NEW robers rule of order book and wants us to give her cash, She was told that find the book she wants, give the book keeper the name and palce it is at and it wold be got for her, we would not hand her cash.
The principal comes in and ask why we are so upset... So he gets told. And then he takes over the meeting, once he took over it was wonderful. he a very nice man.
sHE THEN told him I refuse to meet with her one on one. Is this right penny?? Yes it is, I will not meet with her one on one. I told him I would be willing to come to the next officers meeting and give my report on the conession stand then. He told me that was way better than, giving it to only ONE PERSON.
She then told him we ok minutes that were wrong, He ask why they were wrong, she told him what she thought. He ask the rest of us if we agreed with her we said no, so he said I am taking a new vote, same votes cast.
At 9 I was feed up I stood up and looked at Ms Betty- the presd. I am leaving BECASUE my son needs to take meds, and I need to be sure he takes the right ones. So I am leaving now.. Bye
It was about 9:45 before it ended.
President came in, mad that we started the meeting with out her.
Minutes from last meeting read and approved. after the vote, she said she feels we need to change the minutes for she feel they are wrong. 6 poeple voted to ok them 3 voted not to (the 3 was her, her hubby and her daugher) b/c she is the president she felt she could veto our vote and we HAD to change it b.c she wanted it changed. It got hot there.
She was told it would not be changed that there were more yes votes vs no votes and the yes won.
She then hands the agenda out. OH MY WORD!! a page and half of things she wanted to cover in an hour.
If you want to see this I can scan it.
She has on there that [b]no one but HER [/b]can ask question on the minutes and treasure report. (that started a bad round of talk)
Note our meeting are to be one hour 6:30-7:30. She has on here if we leave a meeting before it was over and we did not tell her 1 time nothing will happen 2 time warning 3 time meeting with possible suspension.
We have never walked out. At 7:30 we say it 7:30 move to close the meeing, it is 2 and we leave.
HELLO this is not a Job this is a booster club. She cannot do this. She was even asked why this was on here, and where did she get this, she WOULD NOT tell us why or how this came about.
She wanted me to have a one on one meeting with her snice I was over the conession stand, Our biggest fund rasier at foot ball games. I told her I would not meet with her one on one.
She told me I had no right to say no, That if she asked me for a meetng it was my job to say yes. i lol i said wrong. I am not, will not meet with you alone.
She wants money, for copies she made. She will not tell us copies for what? She has not made any copies, and she was told at the start of this year, that all copies are to be made at school, so she would not have any cost.
She wants a NEW robers rule of order book and wants us to give her cash, She was told that find the book she wants, give the book keeper the name and palce it is at and it wold be got for her, we would not hand her cash.
The principal comes in and ask why we are so upset... So he gets told. And then he takes over the meeting, once he took over it was wonderful. he a very nice man.
sHE THEN told him I refuse to meet with her one on one. Is this right penny?? Yes it is, I will not meet with her one on one. I told him I would be willing to come to the next officers meeting and give my report on the conession stand then. He told me that was way better than, giving it to only ONE PERSON.
She then told him we ok minutes that were wrong, He ask why they were wrong, she told him what she thought. He ask the rest of us if we agreed with her we said no, so he said I am taking a new vote, same votes cast.
At 9 I was feed up I stood up and looked at Ms Betty- the presd. I am leaving BECASUE my son needs to take meds, and I need to be sure he takes the right ones. So I am leaving now.. Bye
It was about 9:45 before it ended.
Whew!
Sounds like this woman is wound a little tight. Maybe next meeting you should hold her down and tickle her. 
Sorry, just trying to cheer you up after all that drama. I will be praying for you though.
Sorry, just trying to cheer you up after all that drama. I will be praying for you though.
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Re: Whew!
Wes wrote:Sounds like this woman is wound a little tight. Maybe next meeting you should hold her down and tickle her.
Sorry, just trying to cheer you up after all that drama. I will be praying for you though.
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Thankfully the principal seems to have his head on straight. Maybe he can come to a few meetings and get things smoothed out. I suspect this lady will not want to be president if she can't bulldoze her agenda through so keep hanging in there. It may get worse before it gets better but it sounds like you are on the right track.
"A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still." Anonymous
"Arguing with some people is like wrestling with a pig, at the end you are both filthy and exhausted –and you get the distinct feeling that the pig enjoyed the experience."
"Arguing with some people is like wrestling with a pig, at the end you are both filthy and exhausted –and you get the distinct feeling that the pig enjoyed the experience."
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i think we learned our lesson!!!!! She wanted it and she seemed nice, so we said ok, if we knew then what we know now..Next time you guys choose a president you should be careful that the person is QUALIFIED and has the integrity to fill the position.
Everyone that worked the football games went out to eat last night, and we talked about this. Most all in that group are christains. We talked about in may who we were going to put into office, ok we cannot put them into office, but we can know who we want BEFOR we vote in may. LORD HELP US GET TO MAY...
he is holding the officer meting in Jan 15, and he is coming into the Jan 20 meeting for all band parents,Thankfully the principal seems to have his head on straight. Maybe he can come to a few meetings and get things smoothed out. I suspect this lady will not want to be president if she can't bulldoze her agenda through so keep hanging in there. It may get worse before it gets better but it sounds like you are on the right track.
She was NOT HAPPY When he came in.
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