Jude 2

I guess everyone needs a bailout now

http://www.ajc.com/business/content/bus ... ab_newstab

KB

Billions for banks, but none for Larry?

What a way to treat a patriot.

They had better beware of this guy.

He won a Supreme Court suit against Falwell. He is no stranger to the idea that his business is no different than any other in the sight of the law. He will drag their butts through the court system for years just to make a point.

While I don't have any love for what he does, those super intelligent, all powerful people better get some idea of the can of worms they have opened. Pandora's box has just poured out it's bottom.

I think they ought to just get Nancy Pelosi to volunteer for a "Girls Gone Wild" video. (wretch, gag, puke)

DaJudge wrote:I think they ought to just get Nancy Pelosi to volunteer for a "Girls Gone Wild" video. (wretch, gag, puke)

God knows there's some fringe market for it.

Dr. Ron wrote:get some idea of the can of worms they have opened. Pandora's box has just poured out it's bottom.

I wish you were not so right.. but I'm afraid you are probably spot on... so I'm going to put this in the Al Gore run for President train of thought.

Sorry about Gore....now it doesn't look like such a bad thought.....and I do know it was considered.....Hilary wounldn't hear of it.....she thought she could take the black guy.......too bad.

would'nt this be considered a "baal" out?

I think they ought to just get Nancy Pelosi to volunteer for a "Girls Gone Wild" video. (wretch, gag, puke)

Dude, that would bankrupt the porn industry faster than $80 an hour UAW workers have broke GM.

Full Quiver wrote:

I think they ought to just get Nancy Pelosi to volunteer for a "Girls Gone Wild" video. (wretch, gag, puke)

Dude, that would bankrupt the porn industry faster than $80 an hour UAW workers have broke GM.

Dude, I don't know where you got your UAW hourly rates from, but you are way off base.

http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Emp ... ourly_Rate

As can be seen, the highest paid hourly employees are the Maintenance Electricians at $32.79 per hour. Not even 1/2 of what you have claimed. I will agree that this pay scale is high and has contributed to the current problems facing the automotive industry. It is however not the root cause of the problem. In any manufacturing industry, including automotive, labor makes up the smallest portion of the cost of operations. Yes, the UAW is a part of the current problem, but not to the degree that "Radio Talk Show Lemmings" such as you would brand them.

This post may seem a little harsh, but this is not the first shot that you've taken at the UAW and the hourly workers in the automotive industry.


TW

p.s. Yes, I took the time and Googled it.

TW, I am a union electrician. My hourly rate is $21.40 as far as money in my pocket but my total compensation package is more than that. Factor in my full coverage PPO Health Insurance for my entire family, dental insurance as well and three retirement packages and I am near $40 per hour.

With these type benefits many UAW members earn $78 an hour. It is income because it is money they are not paying out. it is an increase.

TW wrote:...the highest paid hourly employees are the Maintenance Electricians at $32.79 per hour.

That may be the direct wage, or pre-tax take-home, but the UAW has masterfully negotiated additional benefits that bring the total employer hourly burden at closer to $80. I have a sister-in-law who is a long-time UAW worker.

FQ,
I am a member of the UAW, a former Executive Officer, I have been involved in Contract Negotiations. I did not run for office in our elections last year because I am going to retire in less than a year and I felt that it would be unfair to the membership to have to replace me in mid-term. I can tell you that you are confusing the compensation package with the benefit package. They are two different packages and are negotiated separately. Benefits are different in that they are present to "sweeten the pot" for the worker, to get the worker to work for this company rather than that company, who might be paying the same wage. They are budgeted separately by companies, and in most cases the worker still must make some contribution, such as a percentage of the Insurance premium, or a contribution to their 401K before the company will match those funds. If you have a full coverage PPO then you are truly blessed, you are the only person that I know that has one. The PPOs that I have seen are either 90/10 or 80/20. If you are going to insist that the UAW members make $78,000 - $80,000 a year then again I ask for you to show me the numbers and their source.


TW

TW, My grandfather is a retired UAW guy from Ford. He has been retired for many years now. Our family is thankful for the career he had and have lived comfortably because of it. It is unheard of in most of the business world to receive lifetime health benefits after retirement but not if you work for the Big 3. Do you realize how much that cost? As I mentioned I am a union member but we do good to not have to pay for our insurance while we are working; after retirement is absurd.

Are you bias towards the UAW? I am not. I have said for years that one day they would price themselves right out of a job and they are close to doing that now. You call that taking a shot at the UAW, so be it. I say you have taken shots at radio talk show hosts. What does it matter? A good host will keep his job but an overpriced car builder will bankrupt his company.


I also did some googling and 4 out of 5 sites back of my argument. The one site said the benefits are about $10 an hour; HOGWASH!!! My insurance, which I said is full coverage is 85/15, and it cost near $6 an hour for medical alone. That does not include dental nor does it include the retirement.

Wendy's great uncle, Fred Fisher's brother, retired from the UAW as well and made 6 figures yearly. He is very well off and rarely broke a sweat for the work he did. You may be a UAW member but as far as I know you don't work for Ford, GM, or Chrysler but maybe a parts dealer (am I correct?)

Since TN is a right to work state why not drop your membership with the UAW and save those high dollar dues. You'll still get ALL the monetary benefits whether you call it compensation or whatever. The only "benefit" you'll lose is the right to attend meetings and vote of course. Someone facing retirement needs to look for places to cut spending.

Danny,
Show me the numbers and their source, then I will give some creditability to your statement. Until then you are just "parroting" what you hear on talk radio, where opinions are more important than facts.


TW