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Israeli Elections
Posted: February 3rd, 2009, 4:50 am
by deb
I didn't realize Binyamin Netanyahu was running for the upcoming Feb 10 election...
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1233304662965&pagename=JPArticle%2FShowFull
Feb 2, 2009 16:53
Bibi: 'A sane country doesn't give its capital to its enemies'
Likud chair Binyamin Netanyahu toured the Mount of Olives on Monday afternoon, and promised to keep Jerusalem united if he should win the February 10 election.
Netanyahu's advisers said he came to the controversial site in the capital in order to bring attention to reports that his main competition, Kadima leader Tzipi Livni, had agreed to give up portions of the city in negotiations over the past 14 months with her Palestinian counterpart, Ahmed Qureia. Prime Minister Ehud Olmert reportedly told US Middle East mediator George Mitchell last week that Livni had agreed to divide the city.
"We did not return to Jerusalem after praying for it to be rebuilt for 2000 years in order to give it up," Netanyahu told a throng of reporters from around the world at the City of David. "We did not unite the city in order to divide it, and my government will maintain a united Jerusalem. A sane country does not give its capital to its enemies."
Re: Israeli Elections
Posted: February 3rd, 2009, 4:54 am
by MacUser
Feb 2, 2009 16:53
"We did not return to Jerusalem after praying for it to be rebuilt for 2000 years in order to give it up," Netanyahu told a throng of reporters from around the world at the City of David. "We did not unite the city in order to divide it, and my government will maintain a united Jerusalem. A sane country does not give its capital to its enemies."
The biblical story continues to write itself. Fascinating!
Re: Israeli Elections
Posted: February 3rd, 2009, 4:59 am
by Gerald Creasy
MacUser wrote:Feb 2, 2009 16:53
"We did not return to Jerusalem after praying for it to be rebuilt for 2000 years in order to give it up," Netanyahu told a throng of reporters from around the world at the City of David. "We did not unite the city in order to divide it, and my government will maintain a united Jerusalem. A sane country does not give its capital to its enemies."
The biblical story continues to write itself. Fascinating!
The Biblical story has ALREADY been written:
Jhn 5:39
Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
The focus of the "Biblical story" is Christ. He is the culmination of the "Biblical Story".
I do not look to Israel for anything.
Posted: February 3rd, 2009, 5:07 am
by DaJudge
The Israelis had better elect a strong leader like Netanyahu. They'll need one. They no longer have a friend in the president of the United States, that's for sure.
Re: Israeli Elections
Posted: February 3rd, 2009, 5:41 am
by Tim Elston
deb wrote:I didn't realize Binyamin Netanyahu was running for the upcoming Feb 10 election...
His election would be another setback for peace, just like his election the first time was. He is a bumbling fool. He had little respect among allied leadership and those with whom he was negotiating. I hope Tsipi Livni gets elected, because she has both the strength and the negotiating background to handle the very difficult situation there productively. From what I hear, though, Netanyahu is ahead in the polls. Well, another few years certain to be wasted if he gets elected.
Re: Israeli Elections
Posted: February 3rd, 2009, 5:55 am
by bibleguy
Tim Elston wrote:deb wrote:I didn't realize Binyamin Netanyahu was running for the upcoming Feb 10 election...
His election would be another setback for peace, just like his election the first time was. He is a bumbling fool. He had little respect among allied leadership and those with whom he was negotiating. I hope Tsipi Livni gets elected, because she has both the strength and the negotiating background to handle the very difficult situation there productively. From what I hear, though, Netanyahu is ahead in the polls. Well, another few years certain to be wasted if he gets elected.
There will be no peace in the Middle East until somebody wins. Negotiated peace will never hold. India-Pakistan, Vietnam, Israel-Arab neighbors.
No. Peace was achieved in the Pacific by one side coming to the table with all the cards and no compromise. Peace was achieved in Europe the same way.
The only way peace has a remote chance in that region is if one side has the strength of leadership to take the action necessary to break the will of the other side. For one thing, it is a muslim doctrine that truces with non-muslims are illegitimate. It is the muslim doctrine of taqiyya, which permits Muslims to lie and dissemble whenever they are under the authority of the infidel.
We know that true, lasting peace will be achieved by the reign of Christ. Until then, we are fooling only ourselves if we think that peace can be reached through "talks." Peace is gotten through victory.
(Read Judges, Samuel, Kings and Chronicles: when the enemies were defeated, they had peace.)
Israli elections
Posted: February 3rd, 2009, 6:44 am
by Dr. Ron
Wow, finally someone got it ......
Peace only comes when one side admits defeat.
Gerald, I don't care if Israel is a key or not.....I just like there guts......
I just finished watching an old movie "Cast a Giant Shadow"....it is the story of Col. David Marcus....who was the "advisor" to the Israeli army in it's very beginnings. It is a great story of determination.
This nation/ race has been under persecution for ever.....now they stand alone in the world... Our "fearless leader " has apologized to the Arab world for who knows what.....and basically told Israel by doing so to go it alone.
He is an idiot......dare I say that again......?????
However, I would rather be Israel right now than the US!!!! They are fearless. They have the greatest air combat record in history. They have never lost a plane in air to air combat. We trained their pilots and now they train ours........love em......GO ISRAEL!!!!!
Posted: February 3rd, 2009, 11:08 am
by Full Quiver
God's way always worked. KILL all your enemies Israel including women and children!!!
When they fail to do that they have trouble. Extinguish the "Palestinians" and there will be no talk or need of a Palestinian State.
Posted: February 3rd, 2009, 11:50 am
by Tim Elston
Full Quiver wrote:God's way always worked. KILL all your enemies Israel including women and children!!!
When they fail to do that they have trouble. Extinguish the "Palestinians" and there will be no talk or need of a Palestinian State.
Are you serious, or is this one of those times I'm supposed to catch some hidden tongue-in-cheek, presuming the best of your Christian profession?
Posted: February 3rd, 2009, 11:53 am
by Gerald Creasy
Full Quiver wrote:God's way always worked. KILL all your enemies Israel including women and children!!!
When they fail to do that they have trouble. Extinguish the "Palestinians" and there will be no talk or need of a Palestinian State.
GOOD GRIEF MAN!!
Israels "enemies" do not necessarily mean they are Gods enemies.
If that were true then Is Israel doing the Work of the Lord by outlawing Christian witnessing?
ANSWER ME THAT!!!
The Israel worship amongst the Evangelical commuity is absurd.
I admire the Israeli govenrnments pluck, but the almost orgasmic way Christians look forward to an Israel triumphant with a "New Temple" made pointless by the work of Christ is almost insane.
Posted: February 3rd, 2009, 1:16 pm
by bibleguy
Gerald Creasy wrote:Full Quiver wrote:God's way always worked. KILL all your enemies Israel including women and children!!!
When they fail to do that they have trouble. Extinguish the "Palestinians" and there will be no talk or need of a Palestinian State.
GOOD GRIEF MAN!!
Israels "enemies" do not necessarily mean they are Gods enemies.
If that were true then Is Israel doing the Work of the Lord by outlawing Christian witnessing?ANSWER ME THAT!!!
The Israel worship amongst the Evangelical commuity is absurd.
I admire the Israeli govenrnments pluck, but the almost orgasmic way Christians look forward to an Israel triumphant with a "New Temple" made pointless by the work of Christ is almost insane.
Take the Christian part out for a second. I'm not saying raise a Christian army and defeat the enemy. Just, from a secular point of view, peace is attained by victory. If you want to be known for your "turn-the-other-cheek" attitude, the muslims will destroy you! As will any opposing nation. Peace on every side happens when your enemies know that attacking you won't end well for them. It's just the only way Israel as a secular nation, or us for that matter, will acheive any semblance of peace with our hostile neighbors.
Posted: February 3rd, 2009, 1:30 pm
by MacUser
Remember Star Wars? We knew the ending.. but the stories in between were still fascinating.
In my limited knowledge.. I must say I favor Netanyahu.
Posted: February 3rd, 2009, 1:41 pm
by Gerald Creasy
bibleguy wrote:Take the Christian part out for a second. I'm not saying raise a Christian army and defeat the enemy. Just, from a secular point of view, peace is attained by victory. If you want to be known for your "turn-the-other-cheek" attitude, the muslims will destroy you! As will any opposing nation. Peace on every side happens when your enemies know that attacking you won't end well for them. It's just the only way Israel as a secular nation, or us for that matter, will acheive any semblance of peace with our hostile neighbors.
I would agree that the only way to meet senseless violence and the Moslem madness is with the most firm resistence possible. Even pre-emptive action.
However I think the issue is clouded among American Christians with the idea that Because Israel is a nation then therefore anything they do is right and GODS WAY.
The confiscation of the property of Christian Palestianians with the excuse they were "Moslems commited to violence" and the prohibition of Christian witnessing shoud give the "Israel worshiping Christians" at least a glimmer of an idea that Everything Israel does is NOT holy and God approved.
Re: Israeli Elections
Posted: February 3rd, 2009, 1:44 pm
by MacUser
Tim Elston wrote:He is a bumbling fool.
http://books.google.com/books?as_auth=B ... vigational
Quite a few books he has authored and coauthored. No worries on how he will respond, eh?
Posted: February 3rd, 2009, 2:04 pm
by bibleguy
Gerald Creasy wrote:bibleguy wrote:Take the Christian part out for a second. I'm not saying raise a Christian army and defeat the enemy. Just, from a secular point of view, peace is attained by victory. If you want to be known for your "turn-the-other-cheek" attitude, the muslims will destroy you! As will any opposing nation. Peace on every side happens when your enemies know that attacking you won't end well for them. It's just the only way Israel as a secular nation, or us for that matter, will acheive any semblance of peace with our hostile neighbors.
I would agree that the only way to meet senseless violence and the Moslem madness is with the most firm resistence possible. Even pre-emptive action.
However I think the issue is clouded among American Christians with the idea that Because Israel is a nation then therefore anything they do is right and GODS WAY.
The confiscation of the property of Christian Palestianians with the excuse they were "Moslems commited to violence" and the prohibition of Christian witnessing shoud give the "Israel worshiping Christians" at least a glimmer of an idea that Everything Israel does is NOT holy and God approved.
I do not buy into all the pro-Israel, Christian rhetoric. Most Israelis are atheist, and their nation has the same problems as the rest of the western world: abortion, homosexuality, etc. They are not the holy nation as John Hagee would have you believe. From a strictly "what's-best-for-America" standpoint, Israel has been a truer friend than any nation on the planet - Great Britain included. So I think the U.S. should stand with Israel, with no consideration of the religious, but strictly strategically.
And even when Israel was God's uniquely chosen people, even then Israel -- as the kingdom of God -- rarely did anything right or according to GOD'S WAY...