Jude 2

A customer shared today that he is off to Afghanistan at month's end. Is this a major troop build-up or only a local unit deployment?

fairly major.

My question to Obama and the dems is I thought they were saying Bush did not have the authority to send troops and wage war without a Congressional declaration and now Obama is sending more troops.

I agree that more troops are needed but it all seems fishy.

we are having to go back to get the job done in an area that we left to soon. and by the way no one in the world was upset for us going into afghanistan. the issue was we attacked iraq without support from most of the world and half of our own country. its always been to seperate issues. to bad we took our eye off the ball then. no matter how ya feel about iraq you have to admit we left afghanistan before we did the job.

dawgs10 wrote:we are having to go back to get the job done in an area that we left to soon. and by the way no one in the world was upset for us going into afghanistan. the issue was we attacked iraq without support from most of the world and half of our own country. its always been to seperate issues. to bad we took our eye off the ball then. no matter how ya feel about iraq you have to admit we left afghanistan before we did the job.

I understand what you are saying but we never left Afgan, but we should have placed more forces their when the world was willing. Now half this nation was not against the war in Irag when it started the Nation was in agreement. Even the democrats voted for it.
Dont you remember Bush's approval rating?

“Bush’s approval rating five years ago, at the start of the Iraq war, was 71 percent, and that 40-point drop is almost identical to the drop President Lyndon Johnson faced during the Vietnam War,” said CNN polling director Keating Holland.

when the nation learned that the intelligence was not correct more than half of the country was against it. we owe billions of dollars because of iraq and the people that attacked us on 9-11 got what they wanted. the US spread to thin and so broke and in debt which has resulted in the worst recession in our lifetime according to people that lived thru the great dep. we should have kept our eye on the ball and got the people that were behind the attacks and left other countries to deal with their own problems. sorry but that is fact. hind sight sometimes equals common sense or forsight. sometimes we have to use wisdom. we learn from history or we repeat it. hope we learn.

Obama denied the troop surge would work in Iraq until it did, then he decided it would be a great idea in Afghani.......it isn't.

People are confused as to the nature of the two areas of war.

Iraq was a just war. President Bush said in his address to the nation after 9/11 that ANY nation that gave aide or comfort or supported the rouge nations or Al Queda or the Taliban.....or any of their co-conspirators were our enemies and we would strike them.

Iraq fell the catagories. They had training camps in Iraq for Al Queda....even Bin Laden said as much.....so......all of America and all of congress including HIlary agreed that it was a just war. They came up with the WMD issue after they saw they could use that against Bush to win power....they succeeded.

The war in Afghanistan is totally different in the way it is prosecuted. It is a commando war. My son flew combat missions there. The terrain is different, the economics are different. Iraq has a civilized, well prepared group of people and resources like oil that will sustain them.

Afghanistan has none of the above. They are tribes of nomadic people who fight against/ for money. They follow the money. Their largest import is opium. My son saw thousands of acres of that stuff. That is all they have. So.....they lay down with the dogs to feed their people.

They are a nation of war lords.....perfect fodder for Osama.

Afghanistan was not left out ....it was contained....and will continue to be...Russia proved that it was not a winnable situation. We can hope for no more than containment.

dawgs10 wrote:when the nation learned that the intelligence was not correct more than half of the country was against it. we owe billions of dollars because of iraq and the people that attacked us on 9-11 got what they wanted. the US spread to thin and so broke and in debt which has resulted in the worst recession in our lifetime according to people that lived thru the great dep. we should have kept our eye on the ball and got the people that were behind the attacks and left other countries to deal with their own problems. sorry but that is fact. hind sight sometimes equals common sense or forsight. sometimes we have to use wisdom. we learn from history or we repeat it. hope we learn.

That is all and good but that is not what you said. you said

"the issue was we attacked iraq without support from most of the world and half of our own country.

That is not true. Second Iraq has had NOTHING to do with our economic situation at all so I am not sure how you placed those together.

Lets see how much have we spent on Iraq? How much is Obama going to spend his first 3 months in office? That would be a interesting question. 3 months verse 8 years.....

The whole idea that the intelligence was wrong on the WMDs is flawed.

We knew they were there and we know where they are now.
Plenty evidence was uncovered that they existed....like thousands of bodies.

So it begs the question.....:"What difference would it have made ?" We KNOW that Russia has WMDs ....so does N Korea...so does Iran now....so does India....

The WMDs were not the whole picture...except in the media.

That is not true. Second Iraq has had NOTHING to do with our economic situation at all so I am not sure how you placed those together.

I beg to differ friend. Countless of billions of dollars have been spent, lost, and squandered over IRAQ and it is good money that could have been put into AMERICA and wasn't.


I also beg to differ that we cannot win in Afghanistan and that we can only contain it. If we can win in Iraq then we can also win in Afghanistan. We are the United States of America and it is more than possible. The question is do we have the will!!!

BILLIONS of dollars spent in Iraq. billions that will never be given back by the people of iraq. billions that could have been used building roads and bridges here. putting people back to work and helping our country. sorry but true.

Full Quiver wrote:

That is not true. Second Iraq has had NOTHING to do with our economic situation at all so I am not sure how you placed those together.

I beg to differ friend. Countless of billions of dollars have been spent, lost, and squandered over IRAQ and it is good money that could have been put into AMERICA and wasn't.


I also beg to differ that we cannot win in Afghanistan and that we can only contain it. If we can win in Iraq then we can also win in Afghanistan. We are the United States of America and it is more than possible. The question is do we have the will!!!

We can win Afgan I agree but I dont agree the war caused any upset in the economy I have not seen any evidence or one report claiming so.
It is the housing market that caused this recession and the main thing that got us to this point, not the war. Wars usually do the opposite and historically has helped the economy. I know this is different for sure but I cant see how it hurt us, unless you are saying that all that money would have been given to us, that would have never happened. We would have never saw that money whether there was a war or not.

dawgs10 wrote:BILLIONS of dollars spent in Iraq. billions that will never be given back by the people of iraq. billions that could have been used building roads and bridges here. putting people back to work and helping our country. sorry but true.

The better question is "what has big government not wasted billions of dollars on?" At least we helped someone with the money. If you want to talk wasted taxpayers dollars, there are hundreds of futile things that could make that list yearly.

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Wars generally help economies because we the people are building the things needed to make war. IRAQ is different because our troops are mainly building things in IRAQ and not so much fighting a war. The money is being poured into the IRAQI economy.

Full Quiver wrote:Wars generally help economies because we the people are building the things needed to make war. IRAQ is different because our troops are mainly building things in IRAQ and not so much fighting a war. The money is being poured into the IRAQI economy.

Yes that is why I said this war is different but I still have not seen anything that shows Iraq even had the Littlest effect on the economy. The biggest part of this is the housing market, not the war. Leaving Iraq today would not help the economy at all, fix the Housing market and watch what happens

I didn't say leave Iraq and the economy will be fixed.
The economy is not as in as bad a shape as some might want us to think though it is bad.

With banks lining up to repay the TARP money because they will not come under the rule that says their CEOs cannot make more than $500,000 is proof that they didn't need the money anyhow.

The housing market was bloated and a joke to begin with. First off too many homes were being built considering the need. Supply and demand heavily comes into play here.

Secondly mortgages were being given to people without jobs, income, etc. That is a joke, a crime against the economy, and one of the real reasons why the housing market looks the way it does.