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Anyone here a greenie

Posted: February 11th, 2009, 9:27 am
by Full Quiver
Is anyone here a greenie or a global warming advocate?

If so, do you buy American made products only or do you buy from highly polluting countries like China?

Posted: February 11th, 2009, 1:07 pm
by Jennifer Smith
Why do you ask? :)

Re: Anyone here a greenie

Posted: February 11th, 2009, 9:48 pm
by Tim Elston
Full Quiver wrote:Is anyone here a greenie


I think we're all whities here.

or a global warming advocate?


Please give global warming a helping hand.

If so, do you buy American made products only or do you buy from highly polluting countries like China?


People who are concerned with pollution in China should buy as many Chinese products as possible. History shows, and economic theory confirms, that pollution increases during industrialization and then pollution decreases as a function of the wealth created from that industrialization. Pollution is a product of wealth building, and wealth, in turn, enables the spending that is required to reduce pollution. As people become wealthy, they put a greater premium on quality of life and begin to fund the reduction and control of pollution.

The result is a parabola also called the Environmental Kuznets Curve: "In a developing industrial economy, little weight is given to environmental concerns, raising environmental pollution byproducts. After attaining a certain standard of living from the industrial production system and when environmental pollution is at its greatest, the focus changes from self-interest to social interest. The interests give greater weight to a clean environment by reducing and reversing the environmental pollution trend from industrialization."

It makes economic sense, it's what happened in America, and I've read it's what happens generally within industrializing countries.

Posted: February 12th, 2009, 12:39 pm
by Full Quiver
Well then the greenies need to get off the backs of American companies since as they become wealthier they will automatically clean up their act.

Posted: February 12th, 2009, 4:14 pm
by Tim Elston
Full Quiver wrote:Well then the greenies need to get off the backs of American companies since as they become wealthier they will automatically clean up their act.


That's not the way it works. Political pressure is always a part of the process.

Posted: February 12th, 2009, 6:30 pm
by Full Quiver
Well since in China the govt. essentially owns the industry I don't see them cleaning up their act.

Posted: February 12th, 2009, 6:49 pm
by bibleguy
Full Quiver wrote:Well since in China the govt. essentially owns the industry I don't see them cleaning up their act.


Come on FQ! Don't tell me you haven't heard of a Chinese cleaners.

Posted: February 12th, 2009, 8:41 pm
by Tim Elston
Full Quiver wrote:Well since in China the govt. essentially owns the industry I don't see them cleaning up their act.


Seeing how they execute people for manufacturing toys with leaded paint, I'm not so sure about that. The government will no doubt run into political reasons for cleaning up pollution, and when they give the orders businesses will comply. The political process is more "tidy" over there--for now, at least.

Posted: February 13th, 2009, 8:35 am
by MacUser
Balance, balance yes.

Facts need to be addressed. X causes Y. Revamp to curb or stop it.

Consensus where an issue is theorized to exist... but has no proof... needs to be reviewed and studied until it can be proven fact or fiction and no action taken if unknown. Because taking action on the unknown can cause untold damage to the known - real lives effected.

Example: You will not sail off the edge of a flat earth. It's actually round.

Posted: February 13th, 2009, 9:16 am
by Russell Roberts
I make my wife eat green m&m's. Does that count? :lol: