Jude 2

anything about a pastor named Dutch Sheets? I read where he was one of the first pastors to come against the Todd Bentley junk. I can't find anything about him online except his own site.

stevenson wrote:anything about a pastor named Dutch Sheets? I read where he was one of the first pastors to come against the Todd Bentley junk. I can't find anything about him online except his own site.

I know a minister with the last name sheets but that is not his name...

hey where have you been Brother?

A little familiar with Dutch Sheets, I have a book or two of his.

stvenson,

He once laid on the grave of a man to 'soak' up the annonting out of his bones. He seems to be loosley affiliated with the group of pseudoprophets associated that include the likes of Todd Bentley, Paul Cain, Chuck Pierce, Rick Joyner, Bob Jones, Cindy Jacobs, etc.

This group originated in Kansas City. They called themselves 'The Kansas City Prophets'. Several of these have been discredited. Paul Cain for his homosexual activities, Bob Jones for having women stand naked in his office so they could 'hear from God'. Chuck Pierce teaches straight from the Kaballah (Jewish mysticism). They are all pretty fruity.

They are into 'spiritual mapping' - the idea that territorial spirits control various parts of the world. They believe that 'ley lines' criss cross the world and serve as demonic highways but can be broken by driving a sword or tent peg into the ground. This idea originates in the occult.

Most of them are also dominionists believing that the job of the Church is to infiltrate foreign governments and take over the world. Their theological underpinnings are provided by C. Peter Wagner who attended Fuller. They're into some really freaky stuff.

The book I have of his is pretty normal stuff pertaining to spiritual gifts, nothing strange as irthnvesl has mentioned.

I heard Wagner speak last year. I had heard that he had some pretty weird beliefs. But he seemed pretty normal. He gave his testimony of how he didn't believe in the pentecostals and thought it was all nonsense. But then God opened his eyes to show him that speaking in tounges was a gift for today's church. He did say that he believes in modern day prophets. But he didn't speak of any demonic spirits or anything of that such. He also said that Fuller Seminary didn't embrace his new found love for pentecostals and didn't like the fact that he taught it in his classes. That's all I know is what I heard from his mouth.

I don't know about Dutch Shets but heres a video where he claims he had a dream...no it was a vision in which Jesus wanted to have fun instead of reaching the lost and brings Dutch a Birthday cake.

HERE


What do men do in the Bible when they see God or a vision of Jesus???

Do they joke around with the Trinity like Jesse Dupe-lantis, or have a Jesus that brings them a birthday cake????????????


Pentecostalism would have been better if the Three Stooges had been ordained as representatives instead of the lunatics today.

Thanks Gerald. That's what I was looking for. Pretty weird! You forgot to mention that Jesus brought him the cake on the beach. Haha!

stevenson wrote:Thanks Gerald. That's what I was looking for. Pretty weird! You forgot to mention that Jesus brought him the cake on the beach. Haha!

Why were you looking for that?

stevenson wrote:I heard Wagner speak last year. I had heard that he had some pretty weird beliefs. But he seemed pretty normal. He gave his testimony of how he didn't believe in the pentecostals and thought it was all nonsense. But then God opened his eyes to show him that speaking in tounges was a gift for today's church. He did say that he believes in modern day prophets. But he didn't speak of any demonic spirits or anything of that such. He also said that Fuller Seminary didn't embrace his new found love for pentecostals and didn't like the fact that he taught it in his classes. That's all I know is what I heard from his mouth.

Stevenson,

Here is a blog post I wrote on Wagner. If not informative you might find it to be humorous. He is pretty much a quack but you can do your own research and find out for yourself.

http://russellaroberts.blogspot.com/200 ... er-of.html

Why were you looking for that?

Cuz, sometimes you get a feeling but you want to make sure that it's just not you. Understand what I'm saying???

Several years ago I heard him preach at an AOG church. He said nothing out of the way then. I thought he was licensed with them.

stevenson wrote:

Why were you looking for that?

Cuz, sometimes you get a feeling but you want to make sure that it's just not you. Understand what I'm saying???

I was wondering if you had heard him preach? It seems like I did a long time ago.... he was pretty mild mannered and reserved.

I have always enjoyed Dutch Sheets ministry.

Have seen nothing out of the way.

KB