a nation of citizens

[Full Quiver]

Obama told the Turkish Muslims that America is not a Christian nation but a nation of citizens. How do you feel about that?

[bibleguy]

I heard that. What does that even mean? We're not a Christian nation, a Jewish nation or a Muslim nation, but a nation of citizens? That means nothing. What nation isn't a nation of citizens?

Obama's saying, "See, there's nothing special about America." Thanks O'buddy, way to lead!

And he snubbed Sarkozy, not going to Normandy so as "not to offend the Germans." Instead he headed off to Turkey to offend his own country, and his country's history?

God help us. At least those of us that still trust in Him. America may no longer be a Christian nation, but that doesn't mean that there isn't a Christian "nation in the midst of a nation."

[Full Quiver]

I suppose by his own rhetoric that Turkey is not a Muslim nation then. Well we really know what he means and what he is up to.

[bibleguy]

Obama has said that he wants to restore America's reputation before the nations of the world. Is this how he does it? Does it somehow raise our stock if we bow down to to the international community?

This is what he is doing at home as well. Eliminate the rich and poor classes and make everyone economically equal -- equally poor. By breaking the back of the rich, they somehow look better to the poor.

It hasn't even been 100 days yet, call me a pessimist but how can America survive as a sovereign nation, much less a super power, when our status is no longer challenged from without alone, but from the highest office in this land? If our own president will not defend our position and status before the nations, then we are undone!

[Paully_44]

Obama told the Turkish Muslims that America is not a Christian nation but a nation of citizens. How do you feel about that?

What does it mean to be a "christian" nation? We may have had leaders who openly professed their religious views, but does that make us a christian nation? Just because we could have been founed on religous principals, although that may be debatable, doesnt make us Christian. Just ask the native americans, or those that were here first if they feel we are Christian nation.

[rjjunior]

I don't have a problem with his statement that we are a nation of citizens (meaning we are not monolithic, I suppose). I am bothered, however, that he seems to be using the statement to distance himself and us from our obvious Biblical foundations (as opposed to Koranic foundations, etc).

Our traditional principles and values are easily identifiable as those found in the Judeo-Christian ethic. Obama doesn't want to us to be identified by those ethics simply because he doesn't share very many of them.

[MacUser]

It's Political Correctness gone MAD.

Yes we are a Christian based nation. Just read our founding documents and learn where we get our rights from. If we don't KNOW where we come from.. then we have NOT CLUE.. where we are going.

When you erase the past.. you erase part of your future. Because you fail to learn from the men and women before you the hard lessons learned and are DOOMED to repeat them over and over.

This is again why I fault lazy Christians and Churches from neglecting proper EDUCATION of our youth and we are suffering the result of it. The sad truth is that we CAN'T EVEN SEE this critical point.

[A2JGirl]

On one hand I agree with him, on the other hand, I don't, and forgive me if I stumble over my words trying to explain myself.

To my knowledge, none of the documents surrounding our nation's birth, mentioned Christ specifically. God, yes, but Jesus, no. Correct me if I am wrong. Many of the founding fathers were not Christians at all.

America IS made up of citizens, and of all colors and religions. Personally I wouldn't want a Christian nation, because then you get into the separation of church and state and you have a situation where the church is controlling the government and vice versa.

HOWEVER, it is the moral principles our nation was founded on that makes it POSSIBLE for citizens to freely practice the religion of their choice. If we distance ourselves from our foundation then our freedom is in jeopardy.

Attempting to distance our nation from our heritage in the eyes of the world is EXACTLY what it appears Obama is attempting to do.

AND isn't the elected government supposed to reflect the majority of the citizens? This is what happens when Christians vote with their pocketbooks instead of their conscience.

[JanB]

A2JGirl

[Dr. Ron]

This nation was founded on Judeo/Christian values. It was not founded upon the Koran.

We are a christian nation by majority.

Obama is abhorant in his hatred for the very country that elected him.
We have no one to blame but ourselves.

As long a there are "christians" who over look the sanctity of marriage, and family and vote for men like this, we have no right to say anything. Christians who can turn a blind eye to his pandering to the Muslims when he said in his own words he would do that, have no right to complain.

The christians of this nation could have stopped this......they chose not to....

[RamboPreacher]

...
Obama is abhorant in his hatred for the very country that elected him.
We have no one to blame but those that voted for him.

As long a there are "christians" who over look the sanctity of marriage, and family and vote for men like this, we have no right to say anything. Christians who can turn a blind eye to his pandering to the Muslims when he said in his own words he would do that, have no right to complain.

The (Obama-Voting) christians of this nation could have stopped this......they chose not to....

highlighted minor changes to reflect my agreement, exactly!

was Obama came up in a conversation at church and thinking (erroneously) that the few people gathered in the conversation there (not pulpit time, this was a fellowship-free-time) didn't vote for him - I mentioned something about his approvals and direction for abortion. and how sad that is.

A woman chimed in and said that I was misinformed and that "my Barak" would never support abortion. Tried to (nicely) explain otherwise, but she would have none of it. (noticed her daughter later was wearing a home made tshirt with "go Obama" and "Hope" and "Change" written all over it.

[bibleguy]

On one hand I agree with him, on the other hand, I don't, and forgive me if I stumble over my words trying to explain myself.

To my knowledge, none of the documents surrounding our nation's birth, mentioned Christ specifically. God, yes, but Jesus, no. Correct me if I am wrong. Many of the founding fathers were not Christians at all.

America IS made up of citizens, and of all colors and religions. Personally I wouldn't want a Christian nation, because then you get into the separation of church and state and you have a situation where the church is controlling the government and vice versa.

HOWEVER, it is the moral principles our nation was founded on that makes it POSSIBLE for citizens to freely practice the religion of their choice. If we distance ourselves from our foundation then our freedom is in jeopardy.

Attempting to distance our nation from our heritage in the eyes of the world is EXACTLY what it appears Obama is attempting to do.

AND isn't the elected government supposed to reflect the majority of the citizens? This is what happens when Christians vote with their pocketbooks instead of their conscience.

The Mayflower Compact (authored by William Bradford) 1620 “Having undertaken, for the glory of God, and advancement of the Christian faith, and honor of our King and Country, a voyage to plant the first colony in the northern parts of Virginia, do by these presents solemnly and mutually, in the presence of God, and one of another, covenant and combine our selves together…”

In Benjamin Franklin's 1749 plan of education for public schools in Pennsylvania, he insisted that schools teach "the excellency of the Christian religion above all others, ancient or modern."

In 1787 when Franklin helped found Benjamin Franklin University, it was dedicated as "a nursery of religion and learning, built on Christ, the Cornerstone."

“It cannot be emphasized too clearly and too often that this nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religion, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason, peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.” [Patrick Henry's May 1765 Speech to the House of Burgesses]

Article 22 of the constitution of Delaware (1776)
Required all officers, besides taking an oath of allegiance, to make and subscribe to the following declaration:
• "I, [name], do profess faith in God the Father, and in Jesus Christ His only Son, and in the Holy Ghost, one God, blessed for evermore; and I do acknowledge the Holy Scriptures of the Old and New Testament to be given by divine inspiration."

New York Spectator. August 23, 1831
“ The court of common pleas of Chester county, [New York] rejected a witness who declared his disbelief in the existence of God. The presiding judge remarked that he had not before been aware that there was a man living who did not believe in the existence of God; that this belief constituted the sanction of all testimony in a court of justice: and that he knew of no cause in a Christian country where a witness had been permitted to testify without such belief.