Jude 2

How often have you encountered the real deal?

What's your understanding of the process of deliverance based on an actual happening?

Do you feel a person has to want to be delivered?

Have you ever felt like a demon hid rather than left?

Or that someone recieved "partial" deliverance?

I have seen it a long time ago. I do not doubt that it can and does happen. I do believe that most of the time, though it is not really possession (though again, I am not saying it can not, nor does not happen).

scooter wrote:How often have you encountered the real deal?

What's your understanding of the process of deliverance based on an actual happening?

Do you feel a person has to want to be delivered?

Have you ever felt like a demon hid rather than left?

Or that someone recieved "partial" deliverance?

Never seen it or encountered it...as what you are speaking of. (a semi autonomous spirit being controlling and influencing a person)

Since I have never seen it...I ain't got the foggiest clue as to how to do what it is that you are describing.

They must be hid awfully good to begin with...

Partial deliverance?????
The God that I know saves completely...not partially...not halfway... always completely.

scooter wrote:How often have you encountered the real deal?

What's your understanding of the process of deliverance based on an actual happening?

Do you feel a person has to want to be delivered?

Have you ever felt like a demon hid rather than left?

Or that someone recieved "partial" deliverance?

I will make this simple.

1. several
2. the authority of the word and our confidence in it.
3. not necessarily
4. no
5. no

The most recent case was a few weeks ago in Pakistan.

paul wrote:
The most recent case was a few weeks ago in Pakistan.

Response: How'd it play out? How long from start to finish? Are some more difficult than others? Have you ever felt like the person was not delivered?

I can pretty much echo Paul again on this one.

There really is no pattern or formula. You deal with each individual on a case by case basis.

I have dealt with this many times and it is generally always different.

I assure you the "demon force" cannot hide. The spirit will "uncover" his existance.

I must tell you that while it is possible to be demon possessed, it is not as common as some would like to believe.

There is no partial delivery...however the person who was possessed, can "re-invite" the spirit back in. That is the way one becomes possessed in the first place. No, demons cannot enter children. They are covered by the blood until a resonable age of understanding and accountability.

I certainly believe if you encounter such a spirit, I recommend that you remove them from the general congregation and deal with them separately. An audience is one of the things they seek ....to bring about fear. Don't deal with them in the open (like at camp). We had at least one or two a year in Tenn. for years......lol

Dr. Ron wrote:I can pretty much echo Paul again on this one.

There really is no pattern or formula. You deal with each individual on a case by case basis.

I have dealt with this many times and it is generally always different.

I assure you the "demon force" cannot hide. The spirit will "uncover" his existance.

I must tell you that while it is possible to be demon possessed, it is not as common as some would like to believe.

There is no partial delivery...however the person who was possessed, can "re-invite" the spirit back in. That is the way one becomes possessed in the first place. No, demons cannot enter children. They are covered by the blood until a resonable age of understanding and accountability.

I certainly believe if you encounter such a spirit, I recommend that you remove them from the general congregation and deal with them separately. An audience is one of the things they seek ....to bring about fear. Don't deal with them in the open (like at camp). We had at least one or two a year in Tenn. for years......lol

Scooter, Dr. Ron is on target here. i am currently in the DFW airport returning home. Tomorrow I will post more as to what I just experienced in Pakistan and the deliverence there.

I don't have near the experience as Dr. Ron or Paul, but I have been there once. Most of what is pushed off as demonic just plain isn't, but honestly when faced with the real thing, at least in my case) I just kind of went on autopilot and the Spirit led it all. I stepped between the girl and my wife (who was pregnant at the time) and began to pray and lay on hands, she cussed, hollered and everything else, but finally just dropped, out cold, after a few seconds she woke up and remembered none of it. This was a close friend, and at 12 years old I was like a father figure to her, she wouldn't have wanted me to even know she thought a swear word, let alone tell me at the top of her lungs to "leave her the F___ alone". to this day, she remembers none of it other than sitting down to talk with Rose, then waking up after it was over.

This is NOT a common thing, and in her case was linked with some drug use and other problems.

Bill, in that particular case, I would say it was more of a drug issue than a demonic issue.....especailly Possession. She was certainly under the influence of Satan...

However, good job on being available to God.

Not saying that drugs were in use at that time, as much as that's what really pulled her away from God, and into a lot of other stuff.

I have seen any number of so-called deliverances, but only one I am certain was real. All told, it took about an hour to get the last vestiges of it out and gone.

It started with me, listening to a girl tell about her experiences in a cult called the Holy Order of M.A.N.S. She showed me a stack mimeographed sheets, printed pamphlets, a ot of literature that she was responsible to study and mediate upon. It became pretty obvious after looking at it that there was a lot of underlying occult significance to it, mainly because it said so. She had spent hours studying, memorizing and meditating on it. I mention this because I want it to be clear that it took a lot serious effort to get the demons in. They don't just out of nowhere jump on someone.

Anyway, after I had prayed with her for a while, I felt like I needed some help. I called a guy I was making music with at church, and he came over. We prayed together with her and for her, and she seemed to be in a state of bliss. But then I felt that we needed more help, so we called one of the elders of our church, and he came over. By that time, she had gone from bliss to going down on all fours, mewling and howling, and gibbering wordless syllables like a nothing I ever heard before. Then, I felt that she needed to tell the demons to leave, and for a while she couldn't say the words, especially the Name of Jesus. The demons would make her gibber some more to keep her from saying them. When she was finally able to say "I want you to leave in the Name of Jesus," that broke it's back. It wasn't another 15 minutes before she was back to normal. We prayed over her house and anointed each room with oil to sanctify them. She was delivered.

Through the whole thing, I think God was taking care of her and us. She wasn't delivered because of any of our knowledge or experience, or because we were exceptionally "holy and anointed". We were not in command at any time. She was delivered because God wanted her to be. We were facilitators at best, spectators at worst, but it wasn't us. I got the distinct impression that if God hadn't been in charge through the whole thing, we would have been like the dudes in Acts who tried to cast out demons and ended up being chased out of the house, naked and beat up.

A lot of "deliverance"sessions are bunk, people trying to cast out there flesh and calling it the devil. But after that night, I never had to wonder about the reality of demonic possession in the present day. It happens.

Jesus cast an unclean spirit out of a child in the Bible.

Yes, Jesus did cast an "unclean spirit" out ./......but that was before the grace dispensation began.

Scooter, the following is the foundation that I stand upon when I approach someone that needs deliverance. Some may not agree with my position or theology, I have no problem with that. It is my position and I believe biblical. This is my approach and my confidence.

When God wanted to demonstrate beyond doubt to the heirs of his promise how trustworthy his purpose is, he guaranteed it by an oath. (1) So then through two things that cannot be changed — his promise and his oath — two things in God cannot possibly lie, we who flee to him for safety are strongly encouraged to grasp firmly the hope that stands before us. (He 6:17-18 )

(2) We have this boldness in Christ: if we ask anything according to his will, he will hear us! (I Jn5:14)

Galatians 3:2-5, where Paul describes two basic things we all need - indeed, in one way or another, these two benefits encompass everything you could truly want: (3)"the supply of the Spirit, and the working of miracles. " (vs. 5) You could hardly imagine any genuine need, or any promise of God, that is not comprehended in those two gracious gifts! Both blessings, says Paul, can be obtained in only one way: (4)by faith. No good work of yours, no law-keeping, no personal effort, can ever put God in debt to you to give you his Spirit or to work a miracle for you. Faith alone is the key to those heavenly benefits. But what better source of faith could there be than scripture mingled with prayer?

In the original creation, God gave men and women the right to exercise dominion and authority. (Gen 1:26-28 ). That authority was lost through the fall, but it has now been restored to us as God's new creation in Christ[2 Co 5:17: Lu 10:19) Can we now use this' restored authority to do whatever we like whenever we like? Hardly! (5)We actually have authority only to call into existence whatever God Himself has spoken to us. That is, spiritual authority must be channeled through the Word of God, and cannot be exercised outside the parameters formed by that word..

(6)The Word revealed through prayer prevents the believer from trying to use spiritual authority to do what God has not commanded, or to claim what God has not promised.

When I speak to the Demonic Spirit I tell it that is has no place nor right in the person. That it must leave, I do not argue with it nor give it any place. I tell it that it is trespassing, that according to the word The earth is the LORD'S, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein.(psalm 24.1!) I tell it that there is a place that has been reserved for it and it is not the person they are now indwelling and that it/they must leave. No matter how load or how demonstrative it gets, I tell it that it has already been defeated by the cross and the blood of Jesus. It has to leave. Not in parts, but it must leave completely. And it cannot hide

In the situation in Pakistan the lady had been possessed by different incantations the wearing of charms that had been given her. These are real, even if we have problems here in the states believing so. After spending some time the lady tore off the charms from around her neck, cried out and the demonic Spirit left. After violently thrashing around during the process she went limp. Her countence changed and total peace came over her. Those around immediately felt the presence of God flood the area.



Pakistan about two weeks ago.

In the situation in Pakistan the lady had been possessed by different incantations the wearing of charms that had been given her

Did she know she was possessed?