Jude 2

These demographic statistics for Church of God (Cleveland TN) were enlightening.

It would be very interesting to see comparable stats for COGOP.

Pastor Gary wrote:These demographic statistics for Church of God (Cleveland TN) were enlightening.

It would be very interesting to see comparable stats for COGOP.

Very interesting. I would love to see the comparable as well. Who do you need to contact?

Pastor Gary wrote:These demographic statistics for Church of God (Cleveland TN) were enlightening.

It would be very interesting to see comparable stats for COGOP.

PG where do you think their might be a difference if any ?

My first thought would be the race. cog with only 2% black. I think cogop might be more diverse.
Also possibly cogop would be a slight more greyer. Cog with 54% being between 30-64 years of age.
I wouldn't see much difference as to the strength in the locations of the U.S.
If cogop indeed has more minorities, especially in the south this might lower the educational and income level a bit.
Would IH keep these type of demographics ?

I looked up the demographic's GP posted and this is the source:
http://religions.pewforum.org/

paul wrote:

Pastor Gary wrote:These demographic statistics for Church of God (Cleveland TN) were enlightening.

It would be very interesting to see comparable stats for COGOP.

PG where do you think their might be a difference if any ?

Not at all sure, but it would be interesting to compare/contrast. I agree with the aging/aged membership in the U.S., but unless I travel in REALLY unusual circles, the educational level in COGOP would, I think, slide up the scale a bit. I just know a LOT of COGOP people with college educations, and many with advanced degrees. Just a scan down the Jude2 list suggests that.

Pastor Gary wrote:

paul wrote:

Pastor Gary wrote:These demographic statistics for Church of God (Cleveland TN) were enlightening.

It would be very interesting to see comparable stats for COGOP.

PG where do you think their might be a difference if any ?

Not at all sure, but it would be interesting to compare/contrast. I agree with the aging/aged membership in the U.S., but unless I travel in REALLY unusual circles, the educational level in COGOP would, I think, slide up the scale a bit. I just know a LOT of COGOP people with college educations, and many with advanced degrees. Just a scan down the Jude2 list suggests that.

PG said: Just a scan down the Jude2 list suggests that

What is the percent of minorities (blacks, hispanics, asians) on Jude 2 ?

My point was that if cogop has more minirities than cog. Which I think it would, then that might have a bearing on the level of education. Most demographic here in California indicate the the vast majority of undocumented labors coming from Mexico and the interior usually do not have a high school education.

I in no way was making a statement that cogops were not as educated as any other group.

Paul,
May I point out that the vast majority of undocumented workers from Mexico are Catholic. The small percentage that are Protestant are spread over a number of denominations and thus would not make a significant difference in the demographics of most of those denominations.


TW

Many Mexicans are Catholic because the Catholic church has a stranglehold on Mexico. Many love Pentecostal churches though and I have worshiped alongside lots of Hispanics and some turned out to be illegal immigrants as well.

It appears that the CoG's Latino membership, 11%, is CLOSE to the percentage of Latinos/Hispanics in the US (citizens anyhow). I think they are at 14-15% or close. The black caucus is small though for sure. Most Blacks find enough spiritual liberty in Baptist churches and don't need Pentecostal churches. In other words they feel free to worship, be charasmatic, etc. in Baptist churches where in many white churches one would not feel such liberty and might seek out a Pentecostal church.

The COGIC plays a factor as well!

TW wrote:Paul,
May I point out that the vast majority of undocumented workers from Mexico are Catholic. The small percentage that are Protestant are spread over a number of denominations and thus would not make a significant difference in the demographics of most of those denominations.


TW

Living in Southern California I am more than aware of that fact. You might be missing my point altogether. I am simply basing my ASSUMPTION ( which that is all that it is). On the number of latino's that ARE part of either the cog or cogop. If indeed the percentage is higher in the cogop, which again is my ASSUMPTION. And given the fact of the lower education level of those migrating here that might slide the scale downward. That was my point.

TW Posted:

Paul,
May I point out that the vast majority of undocumented workers from Mexico are Catholic. The small percentage that are Protestant are spread over a number of denominations and thus would not make a significant difference in the demographics of most of those denominations.

TW

TW, the Latinos/Hispanics poplation here in Russellville, Al in northwest Al is about 7-8 thousand. I find that the greater majority are indeed
Pentecostal. About say 20% maybe 25% might be Catholic, I don't think more then then that. A few Baptist, not many, a few Protestant and the rest just work and enjoy leisure time and drink beer, maybe play soccer.

All of North Alabama is strong in Hispanics. I might add that many seem to have a Catholic back ground, though now it seems that most are involved in other religions.

oletimer wrote:TW, the Latinos/Hispanics poplation here in Russellville, Al in northwest Al is about 7-8 thousand.

Where did you get that statistic? The 2000 census states the population of Russellville to be around 9,000 with almost 13% Hispanics. I will admit that the population of Hispanics has grown drastically since 2000, but it seems that the figure of 7 - 8,000 might be a little high? My best guess would be 3 - 4,000 Hispanics in the Russellville area. Do you have factual statistics on the 8,000 figure?

pa

According to this, Russellville had a population of 8,780 in 2007, of which 12.6% were Hispanic. So, about 900-1,000 Hispanics in Russellville proper.

dolfan wrote:According to this, Russellville had a population of 8,780 in 2007, of which 12.6% were Hispanic. So, about 900-1,000 Hispanics in Russellville proper.

Does these numbers include illegal immigrants as well?

beckrl wrote:

dolfan wrote:According to this, Russellville had a population of 8,780 in 2007, of which 12.6% were Hispanic. So, about 900-1,000 Hispanics in Russellville proper.

Does these numbers include illegal immigrants as well?

I would imagine that the numbers are fairly accurate, including all Hispanics, both legal and illegal. Otherwise you have a real problem in Russelville. With a census of 8,780, if 12.6% were only the legal aliens, that would mean that there were 697 Hispanics in Russellville. Now, even if we used the low end of your estimate (7,000), that means that there are around 6,300 illegal aliens living in Russellville. That equals 71% of the legal residents of Russellville. I don't believe that the infrastructure of any city or county in the U.S. could support the burden of that large a percentage of illegals drawing off their resources; police, fire, medical treatment, etc.


TW