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Your thoughts on Iran
Posted: June 22nd, 2009, 4:39 am
by Full Quiver
What are your thoughts on Iran?
I hope they can civilly revolt, overthrow the Islamic regime, establish a free society, with a real constitution. I like to remember that the Iranians are Persians for the most part and not typical Arabs. They were conquered by Muslims 30 years ago and I believe we should wish them well as they try and cast off this yoke.
Posted: June 22nd, 2009, 9:09 am
by beckrl
First, do they as people or a nation want to case off Muslims?
I saw a program which were in Saudi Arabia in which the people seem to be very accustom to Islam. This maybe an inner battle, for if they case off Islam what would you have them accept? Christianity, I would hope so.
but Islam isn't just an religion it's also thier law(constitution)
Posted: June 22nd, 2009, 2:46 pm
by Mole_J
I think this is somewhat about religion, but not about converting to another religion. I think the majority of those who are protesting wants a freer society, with a less oppressive government.
Posted: June 22nd, 2009, 11:00 pm
by JohnDB
Western influences have done a lot to the people of Iran.
Iran is a moslem country...meaning a theocracy.
The Government is a function of their religion/mosque. The Mosque doesn't operate inside of the parameters inside the parameters of their political/governmental system.
The same can be said of Egypt that it used to be the other way around like it is in Iran.
Saudi Arabia is thought to be a theocracy but in reality the Royal family has the rule there...and allows the church to operate. (sometimes they are at odds with each other and sometimes together)
We here in America and most of the "Western" civilized world have done much to isolate our "Church" from our "State". But the truth is that in that particular section of America's constitution the "Church" was what is commonly referred to as the state in which we reside...Thats right...for example the church of Tennessee or the Church of Alabama...that is what they were referring to when they said that there was a wall of separation (as penned by Thomas Jefferson) not a isolation of Government from religious ideals. It is all about states rights as comonly thought of today.
But the myth goes on...and so everyone wants to isolate and promote the government and demote their "religion" as they have become "more intelligent" to where they don't need God any longer. Always ignoring the fact that God has always been right and man has always been wrong.
The whole world is wanting Iran to have freedom of speech for it's common citizenry...and so does it's common citizenry. Satellite television and internet access has done much to "westernize" Iran...
Who would of thunk that television has played more of a role in the conflict within them today than anything else. And I think the people will win this one...the leadership won't.
Posted: June 23rd, 2009, 3:19 am
by JohnDB
If you are squeemish...don't look
here is the video that is upsetting everyone in that nation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfrfEtW2aT4&feature=player_embedded
The government is trying to stop this video from being seen...but failing miserably
Posted: June 23rd, 2009, 3:34 am
by RamboPreacher
it is violent, and you must sign in to view it.
Posted: June 23rd, 2009, 3:41 am
by JohnDB
She is a teenage protester who gets shot by sniper...
and it is graphic and yeah...you need to sign in to view it.
why I posted it this way instead of embedding it...but then again I don't know how to embed things anyway.
everyone on this site is an adult so I didn't feel any qualms about the manner in which I posted it.
But...people are really dying over there...by their government's hand so that a defrauded election can remain secretly defrauded.
and even if Abinijab did win...really won....he is going to lose by the cheating that he did do and the manner in which things are happening now. Except in this case the people are going to pay the price for this with their lives...like usual.
Posted: June 23rd, 2009, 3:51 am
by Mole_J
Very sad and very disturbing to watch.
Posted: June 23rd, 2009, 3:55 am
by JohnDB
here is an acompanying news article about this video...
CAIRO (AP) — Amateur video of a young Iranian woman lying in the street — blood streaming from her nose and mouth — has quickly become an iconic image of the country's opposition movement and unleashed a flood of outrage at the regime's crackdown.
The footage, less than a minute long, appears to capture the woman's death moments after she was shot at a protest — a powerful example of citizens' ability to document events inside Iran despite government restrictions on foreign media and Internet and phone lines.
The limits imposed amid the unrest over the disputed June 12 election make details of the woman's life and events immediately preceding her apparent death difficult to confirm. But clips of the woman being called Neda are among the most viewed items on YouTube — with untold numbers of people passing along the amateur videos through social networks and watching them on television.
The images entered wide circulation Saturday when two distinct videos purporting to show her death appeared separately on YouTube and Facebook.
They show people trying desperately to treat the woman, who is clad in blue jeans, white sneakers, a black jacket and the headscarf required by Iran's Islamic dress code. Her eyes roll back and blood squirts from her nose, pouring across her face as those trying to help her scream.
"Don't be afraid, don't be afraid, don't be afraid, Neda dear, don't be afraid," a white-haired man in a striped shirt repeats throughout the longer of the videos, his voice escalating throughout.
People posting the video say the woman was shot by a member of the pro-government Basij militia. That information could not be independently verified: Reporters for foreign news organizations have been barred from reporting on the streets of Tehran, and the Iranian government has not released any information about her death.
An acquaintance of her family said Neda worked part-time at a travel agency in Iran and that the government barred the family from holding a public funeral Monday. The acquaintance spoke on condition of anonymity because she feared government reprisal. The Iranian government has banned all public gatherings, though there was no specific information about funerals for those killed in recent clashes.
Although the Iranian government has blocked many Web sites including Facebook and has jammed satellite television signals, the videos of the woman's death have been circulating inside the country. People have used anti-filtering software to download them. Some Iranians have uploaded the footage to their cell phones and used Bluetooth technology to share it.
The bloody imagery alone could have an important impact on public opinion in Iran, where the idea of martyrdom resonates deeply among a populace steeped in the stories and imagery of Shiite Islam, a faith founded on the idea of self-sacrifice in the cause of justice.
The deaths of protesters during the 1979 Islamic Revolution fueled a cycle of mourning marches that contributed to the overthrow of the U.S.-backed dictator, Shah Reza Pahlavi.
Thousands of people inside and outside Iran have written online tributes to the woman, many condemning the government and praising her as a martyr. Some posted photos of a gently smiling woman they said was Neda, some calling her "Iran's Joan of Arc."
Johnson reported from Dubai, United Arab Emirates. Associated Press Writers William J. Kole in Cairo and Shaya Tayefe Mohajer in Los Angeles contributed to this report.
Posted: June 23rd, 2009, 6:37 am
by Mike Vande
I recall seeing footage of Iranians and other middle easterners dancing in the streets after they heard about the Trade Towers on 9/11. They hate us and Israel because they want to, not because Ahmidinajad is in office. And they are gonna keep hating us and Israel regardless of the denouement of the protests.
So the real potential change in Iran after all this typical middle eastern insanity is the name of the guy who makes inflammatory, hate-filled statements about Israel and the United States on behalf of the murderous ayatollahs, mullahs, clerics, independent militia terrorists, and the rest of the intestinal parasites that write his speeches for him.
Posted: June 23rd, 2009, 8:23 am
by beckrl
JohnDB wrote:
The whole world is wanting Iran to have freedom of speech for it's common citizenry...and so does it's common citizenry. Satellite television and internet access has done much to "westernize" Iran...
The program I saw on tv, they showed how "westernize" they have become that is Saudi Arabia. They had a Mall and in that Mall one place they stopped had deep fryed chicken. The host for Saudi Arabia was a woman that showed these places and at the end allowed the American to enter her house for a last meal. She was very hospitable.
The American let it be known that they(Saudi Arabia) and us are very a like in many ways.
Posted: June 23rd, 2009, 2:28 pm
by Full Quiver
Mike, after 9/11 the Iranians, well many of them, had candle light ceremonies for the Americans that died.
Posted: June 23rd, 2009, 6:05 pm
by dolfan
JohnDB wrote
Thats right...for example the church of Tennessee or the Church of Alabama...that is what they were referring to when they said that there was a wall of separation
Apparently, those people never went to Knoxville or Tuscaloosa!
Roll Tide.