Jude 2

June 26 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. stocks fell, giving the Standard & Poor’s 500 Index the first two-week decline since March, after the highest American savings rate in 15 years spurred concern that consumer spending will slow and oil retreated. The dollar dropped after China’s central bank reiterated a call for a worldwide currency.

Regardless of our individual beliefs regarding Eschatology, I find it more than coincidental that preachers 50 years ago were sharing that these very things, such as world currency, would come to pass. Now, we are witnessing talk of the same by powerful nations.

pastorables wrote:Regardless of our individual beliefs regarding Eschatology......

No let's rephase that more acurately:

DESPITE THE FACT THAT IT IS NEVER MENTIONED IN THE BIBLE, we still continue to cling to our superstion and things like this feed our superstition and have SUPERIORITY over the Word of God

pastorables wrote:world currency,

Doesnt is make sense to have the world opeating on the same economic system?

Gerald,

I never stated that it was or wasn't a biblical concept. I am making a factual comparison between things preached 50 years ago and things taking place before our very eyes.

Now, one or more things is taking place here, either those men of old saw something in the Bible that we are missing, preached under prophetic anointing, or an almost none calculable coincidence is taking place.

Again, one cannot deny that things preached 50 years or more ago are taking place today.

What concerns me the most is that you mold scripture to fit things you've read and not "precept upon precept, line upon line"...

Hypothetically, if there is a temple built in the next few years in Israel, and a man sits himself up in it proclaiming to be a god, you will still caustically find a way to dismiss it as merely coincidental and with no biblical corroboration. To the contrary, I would find such an event parallel enough to my understanding of the Bible that I would at least have to give the event serious consideration.

pa

pastorables wrote:What concerns me the most is that you mold scripture to fit things you've read and not "precept upon precept, line upon line"...

I rarely laugh out loud at your statements -even a demonic cat---but this takes the cake.

If A worldwide currency is NOT in the Bible, HOW THEN am I the one MOLDING SCRIPTURE?

But "things preached" which MAKE YOU INSERT WORLDWIDE CURRENCY in your interpretation then THAT...oh, THAT is the TRUE word of God.

You rely on "things preached" and your superstion to back it up.

And NONE of it is in the Bible.

The ONLY person who will EVER claim to be God in a new Jewish temple is the first PRIEST that sacrifices a bull saying the Blood of Jesus is nothing but that of a spilled human.

And YOU are so GROUNDED IN THE WORD....you agree.

Paully_44 wrote:

pastorables wrote:world currency,

Doesnt is make sense to have the world operating on the same economic system?

it does. but the flip side of that coin is a single source of control/standards with that single currency. We live in a fallen world, and that includes all of creation.

What would it take to have all the nations to come under one currency?
If that happens not only will all the nation be under one currency they would be under one goverment. I think that is the more concern question.

If the US currency fell then we would look to someone else to bail us out.
That's our nature and would then be under thier goverment.

And yes, that has been prophecied for many a years.

beckrl wrote:What would it take to have all the nations to come under one currency?
If that happens not only will all the nation be under one currency they would be under one goverment. I think that is the more concern question.

If the US currency fell then we would look to someone else to bail us out.
That's our nature and would then be under thier goverment.

And yes, that has been prophecied for many a years.

Need I say it?

The Bible NEVER says it.

One WORLD Government is READ INTO scripture.



Why would one need a "Peace Treaty" of any type if there was a One World Government?

Dispensational/Darbyism/Futurisim dosent even make sense if you take everything it teaches and try to make a logical whole.

For many years they have been "prophesying" falsely.

Gerald Creasy wrote:

beckrl wrote:What would it take to have all the nations to come under one currency?
If that happens not only will all the nation be under one currency they would be under one goverment. I think that is the more concern question.

If the US currency fell then we would look to someone else to bail us out.
That's our nature and would then be under thier goverment.

And yes, that has been prophecied for many a years.

Need I say it?

The Bible NEVER says it.

One WORLD Government is READ INTO scripture.



Why would one need a "Peace Treaty" of any type if there was a One World Government?

Dispensational/Darbyism/Futurisim dosent even make sense if you take everything it teaches and try to make a logical whole.

For many years they have been "prophesying" falsely.

I think your missing the point, It has been prophesies and IF came to pass it would fulfill that prophecy, That's all. not to say right or wrong.

beckrl wrote:I think your missing the point, It has been prophesies and IF came to pass it would fulfill that prophecy, That's all. not to say right or wrong.

So maybe I Am missing the point.

Are you jokers saying that Bible should be interpreted by WHAT SOMEONE PREACHED/PROPHESIED TODAY if it were to come to pass???

In other words if someone prophesied something not found in scripture then that something should be read BACK INTO scripture if it comes to pass?

Gerald Creasy wrote:
So maybe I Am missing the point.

Are you jokers saying that Bible should be interpreted by WHAT SOMEONE PREACHED/PROPHESIED TODAY if it were to come to pass???

In other words if someone prophesied something not found in scripture then that something should be read BACK INTO scripture if it comes to pass?

Response: Maybe the point you miss is truth beyond the written word.

If a prophet says the person whose cloak this is will be bound and taken, yet that is not scriptural, is it any less true if inspired by God?

The one world system is interesting to me. I see the world's governments combined in the the dreams and interpretations of the OT. I also see a connectivity of the worlds merchants in Revelations. Not that that equates to everything that has been preached or taught about a one world system.

However if the Lord moved upon someone to preach of things to come is that unbiblical or biblical in its very core?

scooter wrote:

Gerald Creasy wrote:
So maybe I Am missing the point.

Are you jokers saying that Bible should be interpreted by WHAT SOMEONE PREACHED/PROPHESIED TODAY if it were to come to pass???

In other words if someone prophesied something not found in scripture then that something should be read BACK INTO scripture if it comes to pass?

Response: Maybe the point you miss is truth beyond the written word.

If a prophet says the person whose cloak this is will be bound and taken, yet that is not scriptural, is it any less true if inspired by God?

The one world system is interesting to me. I see the world's governments combined in the the dreams and interpretations of the OT. I also see a connectivity of the worlds merchants in Revelations. Not that that equates to everything that has been preached or taught about a one world system.

However if the Lord moved upon someone to preach of things to come is that unbiblical or biblical in its very core?

Truth BEYOND the written word??

A "truth" BEYOND the written word CAN NOT CHANGE the written word.

NOR can the WRITTEN WORD be interpreted by a "greater" TRUTH.

There is NO greater TRUTH.

It is a "truth beyond" that we are more advanced than mankind of the Bible....since we are more advanced do we look to their rules and advice as archaic?

HOW is "truth BEYOND" established?

If you accept "truth beyond" you are no different than a Mormon and their "other Gospel" of Jesus Christ.

They appeal to the same PROOF for establishing their truth that Pastor Ables does for his Bible ideas ("Multitude of counselors" and "burning in their busom")

"Truth Beyond" is the door which opens up to all manner of foul doctrine.

How do you regulate "truth beyond"????

scooter wrote:The one world system is interesting to me. I see the world's governments combined in the the dreams and interpretations of the OT. I also see a connectivity of the worlds merchants in Revelations. Not that that equates to everything that has been preached or taught about a one world system.

However if the Lord moved upon someone to preach of things to come is that unbiblical or biblical in its very core?

Great thoughts.

I don't believe we find a one-world currency or government in prophecy. Having said that, a one-world government/currency may exist, and if it does, then it is true, right? And, if it happens, God ordained it to be as well, right? So, then, the thing that He has not revealed is as true (undoubtedly) as the things He has revealed. I don't put any stock into the fact that something has been preached for any length of time. Even if every preacher unanimously says that the Bible teaches X, their agreement on it doesn't make it so. With something as doubtful (and I say doubtful because I don't know, either, for certain) as a one-world anything in terms of what must yet be, a consensus among a certain stripe of preacher (dispensational, futurist, etc.) that certainly is not all preachers does nothing to make that proposition any more certain.

Now, does that mean Ritchie is wrong. No. It means, though, that there is a way of processing biblical belief that is fundamentally different between Ritchie and those legions and armies of preachers and pastors who understand the Bible as he does on the one hand, and Gerald and the legions of preachers and pastors who likewise share his views. It would be refreshing, I think, to see a pentecostal preacher embrace and share views like Gerald's (which are, admittedly, more like my own). That would be fun and refreshing.

But, let me throw this in, too. And, please, Gerald, don't get mad at me. I'm just calling this like I see it. As much as I've wrestled with dispensationalism and futurism, and as much as my fight to defend it to myself in order to maintain it has lead me away from it, the very fact that I once held those views keeps me from being too critical of those who do hold them. I mean I once thought the same way! So, now that I don't think that way, I don't know how much room I've got to call anyone down for thinking that now. I used to speak in tongues and all that stuff too. Now that I don't and now that I understand the Bible very differently than I did, I don't have any mission in telling people who speak in tongues and see it as a --- what's the phrase --- sign of the indwelling of the Spirit and so on that they are wrong and I'm right. I may do that in other ways, more subtly, and especially if I'm feeling especially snarky, but I try not to pick fights over it because I pretty well like everyone here.

Does not the "truth beyond" give liscense to Mary as Co-mediatrix, Praying to saints, paedobaptism, additionl gospels, and even in the case of Reading NT prophecy believing the 144 thousand are the ONLY people who are going to be saved?