Tongues

[beckrl]

1 Corinthians 14
26How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.

27If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.

28But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

Is this scripture given an indication that every one should be able to speak in a tongue and an interpretation?

Is this scripture indicating that at this coming together if you find on one to interpret then keep silence?

[EagerBeaver]

I personally am under the impression that tongues are legit but the way 1 Cor 14 breaks it down means such:

1. If tongue is spoken in a public worship/church gathering, it needs interpretation

2. The one who spoke it may interpret but should also pray that others interpret as well

3. If no one interprets, the speaker should remain silent, and thus everyone should pray for individual and most importantly, corporate confirmation from the Spirit

@beckrl I do not think everyone should be able to speak in tongues and give an interpretation. I personally believe there are spiritual giftings of exhorters, instructers, prophets, etc. whose words are relayed in tongues sometimes -- but I do believe tongues in public are overutilized. I once kept count and an astonishing 80% or more of the tongues I heard in church were not interpreted.

Honestly I think we need a good balance of prayer in the Spirit and a good amount of head knowledge. We need to encourage the use of tongues but in our churches I feel we need to also encourage everyone to pray about the given tongue afterward whether an interpretation is given or not.

I have been in awkward instances where people repeatedly pray in tongues without an interpretation, yet there is no instruction from the Pastor to corporately seek God on the word given. I don't want to call that grandstanding but if it doesn't benefit the body then it is better to keep silent.

On a personal note I have not spoken in tongues legitimately since I was very young. That is not a spiritual gift that the Lord has blessed me with. I believe in the gift and its proper use, but I do believe there are gross misuses of it everywhere, which in all honesty sometimes make me doubt its widespread legitimacy.

[RamboPreacher]

http://www.jude2.com/viewtopic.php?t=8351

[EagerBeaver]

@RamboPreacher

I re-read your paper and I would agree with the vast majority of the nuts and bolts of it. I wonder how much more effective the gift of tongues/interpretations would be if we actually all did it correctly according to Paul.

[beckrl]

I was under the impression that Paul with the question in v26 "How is it then" was not really asking, but saying that all of them hath an song, doctrine, tongue, revelation, and interpretation. That is was given to confusion, then he goes on to given an order.

All hath a interpretation, but then he said if there were no interpreter.
If any man speak in an tongue by two or at the most three and in turn and let one interpret.

Those are gifts of the church in which chapter 12: 10 speaks of gifts of kinds of tongues and another interpretation of tongues.

If these are gifts than only those that have received them can act upon, My thought is if there is no interpreter, the one who gift is of interpretation then let him (from the first man) keep silence and speak to himself and to God.

I think it must go along with the prophet, two or three and let the other judge. Who is the order judge? I would assume the other prophet.

In summary if there is no interpreter (one with the gift of interpretation) there should keep silence.

Rambo, sorry I couldn't get you links to work

[RamboPreacher]

the link was ancient, but the download from J2 still should work, it is a .PDF, so if you have acrobat reader, should work.

[beckrl]

Rambo, I got the download to work, by "save target as"

One point I would bring up is that v13 Paul speaks of praying to interpret
Then in v19 He says Yet in the church.... He making a difference between ...

The other thing is by two or three would that the same massage in tongues as in the same prophecy and one interpret as one would judge the prophecy?

Then that would give only one interpretation. "and let one interpret"

[RamboPreacher]

yup, okay. and?

[beckrl]

yup, okay. and?

I agree with what your paper stated, but had those questions.

v13 Paul speaks of praying to interpret, I assumed he spoke of an private time as in prayer in v14 not in an church setting.

Then in v19 He says Yet in the church.... He making a difference between ... private time and church time, right?


Then my other thought was "let one interpret" one interpretation of the message from all, I thought the two or three men that spoke in tongues would agree with else other to reaffirm the one massage that would be interpretated.

Were two or more agree.