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The Sin of Judas

Posted: August 13th, 2009, 12:22 pm
by JohnDB
What was the sin of Judas? (other than the obvious of informing Caiaphas as to his whereabouts) It wasn't like Jesus was hiding either...every day He was in the Temple courts teaching and preaching.



Why did he think that what he was doing was a good idea?



He had been there for three and a half years along side the rest of them when Jesus healed the sick, make the lame to walk, the blind to see, The dead raised back to life, preached a message to the poor...walked on the Sea of Galillee...



He, himself had performed miracles. During the sending of the twelve he was one of the twelve...and again in the sending of the 72... He was the one entrusted with the money bag from which alms were given to the poor and they bought materials and bread for themselves from time to time. (Most of the 12 regularly had their own families providing support for their needs)



What was the deal with Judas anyway? The name is certainly despised to this day. No one names their child Judas. (The church treasurer is sometimes called that by the pastor in a chiding fashion...goes with a tradition of humor...he isn't serious) What was it that Judas did that was so evil? What was Judas' thought process that we need to avoid? Who was this man Judas that we need to really avoid having in ourselves?



Judas actually was from the tribe of Judah...from the town of Iscariot. (small burg...not well known...but...eeeewwww...wouldn't want my claim to fame to be from that town after the crucifixion)

Posted: August 13th, 2009, 1:22 pm
by Full Quiver
What was the sin of Judas? (other than the obvious of informing Caiaphas as to his whereabouts)


Was that actually his sin or a sin? Was he not obeying the law of the land? He didn't get Jesus killed, Jesus laid down His life so if we think about it Judas did no wrong by turning Him in or did he?

Posted: August 13th, 2009, 1:24 pm
by JohnDB
Full Quiver wrote:
What was the sin of Judas? (other than the obvious of informing Caiaphas as to his whereabouts)


Was that actually his sin or a sin? Was he not obeying the law of the land? He didn't get Jesus killed, Jesus laid down His life so if we think about it Judas did no wrong by turning Him in or did he?


I tried to post all the relevant info out there...but I don't seem to be making it easy am I? :twisted: :twisted:

Posted: August 13th, 2009, 1:36 pm
by beckrl
What was the sin of Judas?


Judas betrays Jesus

Luke 22:21,48
But, behold, the hand of him that betrayeth me is with me on the table.
But Jesus said unto him, Judas, betrayest thou the Son of man with a kiss?

Why did he think that what he was doing was a good idea?


A good ideas??? Maybe a bad idea

Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve.

What was Judas' thought process that we need to avoid?


Not allowing Satan to deceive us.

Posted: August 13th, 2009, 2:59 pm
by JohnDB
Jn 13:27 As soon as Judas took the bread, Satan entered into him. “What you are about to do, do quickly,” Jesus told him,

This don't look like Jesus, Omnipotent and Omnicient just like his Father, didn't know what was going on...and that Jesus could have corrected him at any time.

So...how did Satan get a grasp on Judas?

In the return of the 12 after sending them out they reported and Jesus said he seen "Satan fall as lighting" Obviously Judas was one of the 12 and did this himself.

How was it that this could happen in Jesus' presence. It certainly looked like Jesus egged him on.

There is something more to this story or else it wouldn't be talked about in all of the gospels.

I have never seen Satan...so...why would this story be told in all four Gospels? There is a truth here.

Judas obviously knew that Jesus was the Messiah.
Judas obviously was entrusted with the money and thought of as one of the good guys. (and there was 120 running about)

So....what was Judas thinking?

Judas obviously knew that Jesus knew what he was thinking. That had been demonstrated many times in the past. This was no exception to the rule either.

Posted: August 13th, 2009, 4:50 pm
by pastorables
Though I am not in agreement with some points in the following dissertation, there are indeed some interesting nuggets regarding this subject (including some Old Testament prophecies).


www.letusreason.org wrote:To this day Judas being called with the other disciples is somewhat mysterious. Judas Iscariot is noted in history as the one who betrayed Him (Jesus). Yet Judas was first numbered among the Twelve apostles (Lk.6:13, 22:3; Acts 1:16-17 numbered with us), “chosen” by Christ Himself, the “Apostle Judas” became a traitor? How could they not know a betrayer was in their midst. How could Judas go out and minister with them and see the same results and yet turn Jesus over in the hands of those who hated him?

Some things we need to notice about Judas, he called Jesus teacher, he never called Jesus Lord or master as the other apostles did. This may be a hint how he saw Jesus. Jesus wanted to be known as Lord, not just teacher (Mk.12:37; Lk.20:42; Jn.9:36-38). While the other disciples wondered what kind of man Jesus was, a man that could calm the sea by a word, Judas accepted him only as Rabbi.

One cannot be an official apostle without seeing Jesus’ resurrection, which Judas did not see because he hung himself beforehand. The 12 were called apostles (chosen sent ones) prior but did not become the apostles of the Church until the resurrection, for the church was not officially born until the Holy Spirit was sent on Pentecost. It was then the apostles were put in their office of teaching, planting churches and doing miracles in the power of the Holy Spirit.

Was Judas saved because he was a disciple and lost salvation? It is assumed he was saved because he traveled with the other disciples but it may be more prudent to take the position he was not. Judas was hand picked like the other disciples but his position was temporary (Jesus knew what was going on all along). He was given the job of treasury but he was secretly a thief. Jesus put Judas in charge of the very thing that would give either wings to his hearts corruption or for his repentance, money. Judas often heard Jesus speak on money but it did not change him. The possibility to reform him was always there but it did not occur because of his own heart not inclined to obey the words spoken by our Lord.

It was Judas who showed what was in his heart when he complained about the oil was poured over Jesus preparing him for his burial. John 12:2-8 “There they made Him a supper; and Martha served, but Lazarus was one of those who sat at the table with Him. Then Mary took a pound of very costly oil of spikenard, anointed the feet of Jesus, and wiped His feet with her hair. And the house was filled with the fragrance of the oil. Then one of His disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon’s son, who would betray Him, said, “Why was this fragrant oil not sold for three hundred denari and given to the poor?” This he said, not that he cared for the poor, but because he was a thief, and had the money box; and he used to take what was put in it. But Jesus said, “Let her alone; she has kept this for the day of My burial. “For the poor you have with you always, but Me you do not have always.”

Notice that in retrospect what they say of Judas. He was a thief in charge of the money given to the apostles.

He looked at the oil as if to bring in a lot of money (John 12:5-8). Judas estimated the value of the oil at nearly sixty dollars (worth hundreds of dollars today). His apparent concern for the poor was to conceal his own covetousness. He had just missed a chance of stealing on a larger scale than usual. Evidently, no one kept track of what was going inside the box and going out except Judas and Jesus.

Judas Iscariot, one of His disciples, who was intending to betray Him, said, “Why was this perfume not sold for three hundred denari, and given to the poor people?” Now he said this, not because he was concerned about the poor, but because he was a thief, and he had the money box, he used to pilfer what was put into it. Matt: 26: 8, But the disciples were indignant when they saw this, and said, “Why this waste?” For this perfume might have been sold for a higher price and the money given to the poor.”

Mark 14: 4 records, “ But some were indignantly remarked to one another, “Why has this perfume been wasted?” Judas, who pretends to care for the poor, influenced the disciples to join with him in his rebellious spirit.

Jesus shielded Mary by cutting short the criticism. Let her alone. Jesus saw in Mary’s act a biblical significance- she kept this for the day of my burying. Mary had reserved this precious oil for Christ. She anticipated his death. Mary believed in Jesus’ words he spoke about this coming; in contrast to many who believed but did not understand, her faith included the work of the Saviour-his death.

It appears from the Synoptics that Judas was deeply offended by this rebuke, which could have prompted him to later strike a bargain with the chief priests to betray Jesus. He was not going to forfeit any money. Another point is hearing Jesus speak about his death, Judas could have looked at his position as temporary and wanted to take advantage of it. The love of money can twist ones good intentions to evil very easily.

There are two people in the Bible who are called the “Son of Perdition,” Judas and the Antichrist!! They both are very much into money. The Bible says the Pharisees loved money and so did Judas, so they had a common affection. This is why they were able to bribe Judas to betray our Lord.

One of the ways the antichrist will deceive and gather people on his side is he will pretend to care about the poor. He will misrepresent himself, as a great humanitarian and offer prosperity. Judas who is called a son of perdition is a type of the one who is to come, and we can learn much from his attitude. Considering that he was among those who did ministry from their heart wanting to serve Jesus with the right motives and he was among them did not.

One of the reasons Judas Iscariot betrayed Jesus is because one of the chief priests “promised to give him money” (Mark 14:10-11). Those who were threatened by Jesus wanted him out of the way. We have to be on guard for those close to us that are doing something wrong that can affect us. The Devil's messenger, is often an angel of light who looks like a minister of righteousness. People will do almost anything for money when it is their priority in life. It is obvious from the remarks afterwards that Judas was never honest about his commitment just as Anannias and Saphirra, he was lying.

What are we to think of Judas being one of the disciples, even one of the 12 who were appointed to be an apostle. Mark 3:14-15 adds to preaching, “Then He appointed twelve, that they might be with Him and that He might send them out to preach, and to have power to heal sicknesses and to cast out demons”

Mark 6:7 And He called the twelve to Himself, and began to send them out two by two, and gave them power over unclean spirits. “We don’t know whom Judas was teamed up with but they all had the same message and power. “So they went out and preached that people should repent. And they cast out many demons, and anointed with oil many who were sick, and healed them” (Mark 6:12-13). Matt. 10:1 adds “ …and to heal all kinds of sickness and all kinds of disease.”

Luke 9:10 “And the apostles, when they had returned, told Him all that they had done.”

Another time Jesus had the seventy he sent out who came back with stories of healing and deliverance “Nevertheless do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rather rejoice because your names are written in heaven” (Luke 10:20). Jesus was more concerned about them then what they could do with his authority. Judas never understood this as he had his mind fixed on other things.

How did Judas become one of the 12 see the power and all these miracles and then apostatize? When someone's heart is not right and you give them power it only amplifies what is wrong, not what is right (another example is Peter with Simon the sorcerer). We are also told that Judas did not let the word cleanse him (John 13:10;15:3). He did not abide in Jesus’ teachings, instead he was enticed by the authority to do miracles given to those who followed and his love for the money prevented him from being a servant. Amazingly, Judas was among them having the same results without their suspecting he was a devil who would eventually betray their Lord. Judas a perfect example of those claiming to do miracles in Christ’s name and where Jesus turns to them saying he never knew them (Mt.7:21). Meaning he did not have a relationship (a two way correspondence of love) with the Lord. Demons were subject to him like the rest of the apostles but again as in Mt.7:21 it does not mean that if one uses his name and sees the miraculous they are saved. What proves one is saved is repentance, a continual confession of their sin and reliance on the Lords strength and the fruit of the Holy Spirit present in their life.

Peter learned well from Judas’ betrayal how money can corrupt ones heart. When Simon saw what signs the apostles could do he offered money for this power. Peters response was “Your money perish with you, because you thought that the gift of God could be purchased with money!” You have neither part nor portion in this matter, for your heart is not right in the sight of God. “Repent therefore of this your wickedness, and pray God if perhaps the thought of your heart may be forgiven you. “For I see that you are poisoned by bitterness and bound by iniquity” (Acts 8:20-23).

At one point in Jesus’ ministry He speaks some strong statements that few understood and many began to leave him. As recorded in John 6 he asks the question to his close disciples (the 12) about their leaving him like the others disciples. But Simon Peter answered Him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life.” Also we have come to believe and know that You are the Christ, the Son of the living God. “Jesus answered them, “Did I not choose you, the twelve, and one of you is a devil? “He spoke of Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon, for it was he who would betray Him, being one of the twelve (John 6:68-71.) Now we understand how Judas was included with the twelve. Jesus knew all along who he was - yet he chose him. And by doing so it was fulfilling the Scripture that cannot be broken.

Jesus said to the multitude “But there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him” (John 6:64). Judas never believed even from the beginning. Jesus had known from the beginning who they were who did not believe and who would betray him.” It was more than one that had not believed. V.66 tells us many disciples left then. But from the beginning it is referring to Judas as the one who would betray him! For Jesus knew from the beginning who THEY WERE who did not believe and who WOULD be the one to betray him.

Jn.17:12 tells us no one will be lost, but the son of perdition, who is Judas. He fulfilled the position by the purposes of his own heart. Acts 1:24-25 states that he fell from the position of Apostleship, not from salvation, for it appears for all intensive purposes he never possessed it. So they picked another for his position by lots, Mattias who was with them from John and saw the resurrection.

The Scripture had to be fulfilled. Matt 20:17-18 “Now Jesus, going up to Jerusalem, took the twelve disciples aside on the road and said to them, “Behold, we are going up to Jerusalem, and the Son of Man will be betrayed to the chief priests and to the scribes; and they will condemn Him to death; just before the time of the last Passover. Matt 26:14-16 “Then one of the twelve, called Judas Iscariot, went to the chief priests and said, “What are you willing to give me if I deliver Him to you?” And they counted out to him thirty pieces of silver. So from that time he sought opportunity to betray Him.”

Marks account says “And when they heard it, they were glad, and promised to give him money. So he sought how he might conveniently betray Him” (Mark 14:11)

John 13:1-2 “Now before the feast of the Passover, when Jesus knew that His hour had come that He should depart from this world to the Father, having loved His own who were in the world, He loved them to the end. And supper being ended, the devil having already put it into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon’s son, to betray Him.”

Did God love Judas Iscariot, whom Scripture calls the son of perdition? At the last supper Jesus even washed Judas’ feet, showing love to his enemy. But showing love to your enemy does not guarantee they will repent. John 13:11-16 “For He knew who would betray Him; therefore He said, “You are not all clean. So when He had washed their feet, taken His garments, and sat down again, He said to them, “Do you know what I have done to you?” You call me Teacher and Lord, and you say well, for so I am.” If I then, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you also ought to wash one another’s feet.” For I have given you an example, that you should do as I have done to you.”

How well do we love our enemies, do we try to wash their feet and serve them giving them room to repent. That is the love Jesus displayed for us.

Even in the betrayal he was loved but this will not negate his responsibility in betraying Jesus and he will be punished for his disobedience that led to high treason. God loves the whole world and at times shows it personally to people yet he has allowed men to reject him and trample underfoot his love and fully knows who they are before they do this to him.

At the last supper Judas sat at the table on one side of Jesus, John on the other. Jesus quotes from Ps. 41 and attributes it to Judas in Jn. 13:18. The full verse from Ps. 41 is: “Even my close friend, whom I trusted, he who shared my bread, has lifted up his heel against me,” v.9. Please note that Judas was once Jesus’ “close friend whom I [Jesus] trusted!” (Also, Ps. 41:9 states of the betrayer as Jesus’ “close friend”). Since Jesus “knew what was in a man” (Jn. 2:25), in his heart, how then could Jesus have trusted Judas early on if Judas was not to be saved? Jn.13:16-21 Jesus says he was not clean. In other words he heard the word day in and day out but did not take it internally (to heart), he really did not believe it or act upon it. He did not have living faith.

When Jesus said one of them would betray him they all wondered if he was speaking of them. They all said “Lord is it I,” but Judas said teacher. Judas knew it!

Luke 22:3 “Then Satan entered Judas, surnamed Iscariot, who was numbered among the twelve.” It is obvious that Judas had already been influenced by Satan which gave him leeway to enter him. He knew Jesus’ ministry was coming to a close. Judas loved the things of the world (money) and so even though he was among the learners and with Jesus personally he was the target that could be easily influenced for the greatest betrayal in history.

Matt. 26:23-24 He answered and said, “He who dipped his hand with Me in the dish will betray Me. “The Son of Man indeed goes just as it is written of Him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been good for that man if he had not been born.”

Then Judas, who was betraying Him, answered and said, “Rabbi, is it I?” He said to him, “You have said it” (Matt. 26:25). Judas wanted to see if Jesus knew what he was doing. It didn’t matter if Jesus knew; Satan had a mission. Satan had the audacity to enter Judas at the last supper (the Passover), right in front of Jesus, and later brought Judas to identify him face to face fervently kissing him to be arrested and later to be crucified.

At the last supper we find Judas partook of the bread (a symbol of Jesus’ body- flesh), Judas dipped with the bread with Jesus but he left before he could partake of the wine (a symbol of Christ’s blood shed on the cross) Jn.13:26-30.

He identified with the humanity of Jesus but not His ultimate mission. He left to do his betrayal before the wine was passed to partake as the new covenant. So he partook of Jesus as far as what the bread stood for, but never partook of communion, a symbol of the blood that could cleanse him.

John 13:27-30 “Now after the piece of bread, Satan entered him. Then Jesus said to him, “What you do, do quickly.” But no one at the table knew for what reason He said this to him. For some thought, because Judas had the money box, that Jesus had said to him, “Buy those things we need for the feast,” or that he should give something to the poor. Having received the piece of bread, he then went out immediately. And it was night.” Interesting, Right after this Jesus gives the disciples a new commandment, to love one another as he loved them.

Judas left and was not present when he gave the disciples the promise in John 14 of his going away and coming again to take his believers to the place he is preparing in heaven.

John 18:1-3 “After Jesus partook the Passover, He went out with His disciples over the Brook Kidron, where he usually went. And Judas, knew the place; Then Judas, having received a detachment of troops, and officers from the chief priests and Pharisees, came there with lanterns, torches, and weapons.”

Judas sold Jesus for 30 pieces of silver, which was the price of a dead slave. If your ox killed the neighbor’s slave he was valued at 30 pieces of silver and the owner would have to pay that amount to the owner of the slave. While the disciples slept as Jesus was praying about his soon coming sacrifice Judas is awake betraying him. The devil never sleeps Judas used the most intimate way to show his betrayal, with a kiss. Because of Judas’ betrayal Peter took up the sword to protect Jesus in his arrest, and the disciples scattered. Selling out Jesus does not just affect oneself but others. Though Peter was brave with a weapon in his hand he later acted like a coward by denying to know Jesus three times outside where his trial took place.

Mt.27:3-5 Later we find Judas is sorry for his betrayal but it was not a godly sorrow that would lead to repentance for salvation. “Then Judas, His betrayer, seeing that He had been condemned, was remorseful and brought back the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders, saying, “I have sinned by betraying innocent blood.” And they said, “What is that to us? You see to it!” Then he threw down the pieces of silver in the temple and departed, and went and hanged himself.”

Judas had known about the religious trial; seeing Jesus was condemned to death he is overwhelmed with remorse he even gives back the money that wanted so dearly. But this sorrow is not true repentance, so there is no hope for conversion.

The Priests got their way and didn’t care about Judas either, only themselves. This shows there is no honor among thieves. He betrayed Jesus, they betray him, a vicious cycle.

Under Jewish law ill-gained money cannot be put in the temple treasury. Matt 27:6-10 “But the chief priests took the silver pieces and said, “It is not lawful to put them into the treasury, because they are the price of blood.” And they consulted together and bought with them the potter’s field, to bury strangers in. Therefore that field has been called the Field of Blood to this day. Then was fulfilled what was spoken by Jeremiah the prophet, saying, “And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the value of Him who was priced, whom they of the children of Israel priced, “and gave them for the potter’s field, as the Lord directed me.”

Mt. 27:3-10 tells us Judas hung himself. But Acts 1:18-19 states he fell down a cliff and his guts were spilled put. Is there a contradiction in the Bible between these two stories? When he return the money stricken by his conscience of the immensity of what he has done he is overwhelmed with guilt. So he hung himself when it wasn’t accepted.

The first night of Passover was Thursday night (the Jewish day ends at sundown when 3 stars are visible) The first day of Passover was Friday morning, the day before the Sabbath (evening). The Jewish law stated there is to be no dead body within the walls of Jerusalem or it would be defiled, unclean and the Passover sacrifice could not be offered. So they took Judas’ already hung body and threw it over the wall into the valley of Hinnom and his guts split open, so there is no contradiction in the Bible on this.

As Satan fell from his position so did Judas, he was numbered among the twelve. “for he was numbered with us and obtained a part in this ministry” (Acts 1:17). When the original group of twelve became eleven, the apostles sought another to take Judas’ office.

V.20 “For it is written in the book of Psalms: ‘Let his dwelling place be desolate, and let no one live in it’; and, ‘Let another take his office.’ Acts 1:21-22: “Therefore, of these men who have accompanied us all the time the Lord Jesus went in and among us beginning from the baptism of John to that day he was taken up from us One of these must become a witness with us of his resurrection.” They picked the new apostle from only two men among them. And they prayed over and cast lots of who was “to take part in this ministry and apostleship from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place” (Acts 1:25)

Posted: August 13th, 2009, 7:48 pm
by CantBCoy
In my opinion when I read that Satan entered into Judas and then immediately afterward Jesus commanded what most believe to be Judas to "...do what you have to do quickly." Scripture though doesn't say whether he's talking to Judas or Satan that entered into Judas.

You can think I'm heretical for saying the following, but so be it. I've never believed that Satan was happy about Jesus dying on the cross. Ya know? I don't think it was Satan's plan. Why? Because that was God's plan. Do we really think that Satan had spent the previous thousands of years not paying attention to what God was doing or saying?

I honestly believe that Satan knew the plan that God had for Jesus, and the ultimate slap in the face for him was to be the instrument of betrayal as commanded by the very one he wanted so desperately to be.

Paraphrasing, Jesus said that it would have been better for Judas to have never been born. Why? Was he any more sinful than any of us? I don't think so. I believe it's because he's the one man, perhaps in all of history, to be possessed by Satan and forced to betray a man that he truly loved and believed in.

Another quick thought for fun, what if Jesus wasn't giving a prophecy of who would betray Him, when He said it would be the one who dipped his hand in the dish, but instead was randomly choosing one of the twelve?

Posted: August 14th, 2009, 2:13 am
by JohnDB
I think there is still something missing from this discussion...

Everyone believed that the Messiah was going to be like a conquoring hero..."son/seed of David". That somehow this Messiah was going to be able to overthrow the Roman Empire and set up Israel as the primary leading economic and military power...as was the case when Solomon was King.

There were many "messiahs" running about before and after Jesus. The book of Acts tells of a couple and Josephus records a few more. All of them were a lot more "successful" than Jesus...they had thousands of dedicated followers that followed those "messiahs" to death. Jesus only had 120 dedicated followers. All of these messiahs garnered an army and met up with the Roman army and were destroyed.

Does all of this play a role in this story?

and if so...HOW?

Posted: August 14th, 2009, 2:59 am
by beckrl
It has been my thinking that Judas wanted Jesus to prove to the religious leaders that he was the Messiah. Although as anyone can see that they polted to kill Jesus and then Judas knowing this, he went unto them and said, What will ye give me and I will deliver him unto you. So simply Judas would have Jesus killed for his on gain.

Just as Satan worked in Cain to kill Abel that the promise would not come also Satan worked in Judas. Jesus refered to Judas as the son of perdition
John refered to the as antichrist. Satan's plan was to kill Jesus before going to the cross for all mankind.

John 17
12While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

Posted: August 14th, 2009, 3:37 am
by JohnDB
Jn 12:4 But one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, who was later to betray him, objected,
Jn 12:5 “Why wasn’t this perfume sold and the money given to the poor? It was worth a year’s wages.’”
Jn 12:6 He did not say this because he cared about the poor but because he was a thief; as keeper of the money bag, he used to help himself to what was put into it.

OK...here is another interesting set of verses that must play a role in this.

Aren't those in the ministry allowed to use donated funds to feed and cloth themselves. "Do not muzzle the ox while treading the grain" and "a worker deserves his wages"

from Paul to Peter all of the apostles (and I am sure John as well) used donated funds in which to feed and cloth themselves. They certainly used the donated funds to help the common Christian in Jerusalem in time of a famine.

I think that somehow this verse plays a role as well in figuring out what was Judas' mental malfunction.

Posted: August 15th, 2009, 3:37 pm
by Mike Vande
JohnDB wrote: Judas obviously knew that Jesus knew what he was thinking. That had been demonstrated many times in the past. This was no exception to the rule either.


No, despite all the demonstrations of Jesus' power he wtnessed, Judas' sin was that he didn't really believe Jesus was who He said he was until it was too late. He had every opportunity to turn, but he loved money best.

It's no wonder that his final act was one of fleshly sorrow for his actions, not Godly sorrow that leads to repentance.

Posted: August 16th, 2009, 9:52 am
by JohnDB
Mike Vande wrote:
JohnDB wrote: Judas obviously knew that Jesus knew what he was thinking. That had been demonstrated many times in the past. This was no exception to the rule either.


No, despite all the demonstrations of Jesus' power he wtnessed, Judas' sin was that he didn't really believe Jesus was who He said he was until it was too late. He had every opportunity to turn, but he loved money best.

It's no wonder that his final act was one of fleshly sorrow for his actions, not Godly sorrow that leads to repentance.


I'm gonna disagree here. If I see some guy walking on water and not swimming in it, speaking and calming a storm, make men born blind see, raise Lazarus from the dead (and it wasn't as if this was the only time that happened), the lame walk, the crippled made whole, and the sick well....

I am gonna believe that this guy is exactly who he claims to be. No one could do the miracles Jesus did without being the Messiah...and Judas had to have performed them himself...just like the others.

So...I am sure Judas believed that Jesus was indeed the son of God...that much is sure.

But now we have to deal with Judas' mental malfunction.

What was it?...it wasn't disbelief.

Moses believed...but struck that rock instead of talking to it.
Sampson was a faithful judge for 25years...and still hooked up with Delilah and told her his secret.
Peter knew what Jesus had said about the Gentiles...but did his own thing anyway...till Paul straightened him out.
Annanias and Saphira believed...but died for their actions anyway.

Something is at work here...a very important lesson...one we can't afford to miss.

Posted: August 16th, 2009, 10:16 am
by ImaPK
JohnDB wrote:
Mike Vande wrote:
JohnDB wrote: Judas obviously knew that Jesus knew what he was thinking. That had been demonstrated many times in the past. This was no exception to the rule either.


No, despite all the demonstrations of Jesus' power he wtnessed, Judas' sin was that he didn't really believe Jesus was who He said he was until it was too late. He had every opportunity to turn, but he loved money best.

It's no wonder that his final act was one of fleshly sorrow for his actions, not Godly sorrow that leads to repentance.


I'm gonna disagree here. If I see some guy walking on water and not swimming in it, speaking and calming a storm, make men born blind see, raise Lazarus from the dead (and it wasn't as if this was the only time that happened), the lame walk, the crippled made whole, and the sick well....

I am gonna believe that this guy is exactly who he claims to be. No one could do the miracles Jesus did without being the Messiah...and Judas had to have performed them himself...just like the others.

So...I am sure Judas believed that Jesus was indeed the son of God...that much is sure.

But now we have to deal with Judas' mental malfunction.

What was it?...it wasn't disbelief.

Moses believed...but struck that rock instead of talking to it.
Sampson was a faithful judge for 25years...and still hooked up with Delilah and told her his secret.
Peter knew what Jesus had said about the Gentiles...but did his own thing anyway...till Paul straightened him out.
Annanias and Saphira believed...but died for their actions anyway.

Something is at work here...a very important lesson...one we can't afford to miss.


In fear of getting "jumped" I think that Satan is no respecter of person or position. Look at the history of COGOP. I could name many that have attained "position" only to become "full of themself"(PRIDE) and "fallen away". I wasn't there, but IMHO I think this very well could have happened to Judas.