Jude 2

Okay. So, I've poured myself into the discussions on modesty and related themes. I've made my position, me belief, my contempt, and my conviction clear. I've tried to clarify and qualify where I may have been misunderstood. And at this point I really do not have anything more to say. So, if having the last word is important to any of you -- go for it. I just wanted to let you guys know that I've fought a good fight, and now I'm gonna take a break.

And, for the record, as strongly as I feel about this issue, and despite erroneous judgments and false implications regarding my character, I still love you guys. I understand how passionate people become over this and similar issues. Hey, I am passionate about it from my own viewpoint as well.

It is definitely an area, at least here on Jude 2, where I will have to just agree to disagree with the majority of you. And disagree I surely do.

That said, I look forward to enjoying heaven with you all, and hope to continue enjoying fellowship and debate with you on this side of glory as well.

Blessings!

So you won't be coming to the Jude2 pool party at my house?

I do like the title of your post, Chief Josesph. Good movie.

Poimen wrote:I've made my position, me belief, my contempt, and my conviction clear.

That's the thing.. believe what you want. It's your business. BUT when you start pointing a finger and judging people based on YOUR position/belief/contempt/conviction... THAT is where the problem comes in.

By all means.. PLEASE cover YOUR flesh up. ALL of it.

Ilovebigcats wrote:

Poimen wrote:I've made my position, me belief, my contempt, and my conviction clear.

That's the thing.. believe what you want. It's your business. BUT when you start pointing a finger and judging people based on YOUR position/belief/contempt/conviction... THAT is where the problem comes in.

By all means.. PLEASE cover YOUR flesh up. ALL of it.

Sometime people are to be blaimed! Wasn't it Paul who withstood Peter to his face because he was to be blaimed? Peters personal actions where not in conformaty with the epression of the christian faith. Peter showed favoratism and partiality and Paul took his rightful position and called him out on it. I have never read where Peter rebutted Paul and said "hey, who are yooooooouuu to tell mmmeeeeee how to live...follow your convictions and I'll follow mine". No, he didn't because he was wrong! All of us are not in the good with whatever we wanna do however, whenever,and in whatever manner we personally chose. We ARE called to a higher calling and sometimes our behaviour needs to be brought into check. If we chastise those who correct us ever time then are we saying that we can all do whatever the heck we want and not nobody better say nothing about it? I'm sorry, I don't see that expressed in the scriptures.

Brian wrote:

Ilovebigcats wrote:

Poimen wrote:I've made my position, me belief, my contempt, and my conviction clear.

That's the thing.. believe what you want. It's your business. BUT when you start pointing a finger and judging people based on YOUR position/belief/contempt/conviction... THAT is where the problem comes in.

By all means.. PLEASE cover YOUR flesh up. ALL of it.

Sometime people are to be blaimed! Wasn't it Paul who withstood Peter to his face because he was to be blaimed? Peters personal actions where not in conformaty with the epression of the christian faith. Peter showed favoratism and partiality and Paul took his rightful position and called him out on it. I have never read where Peter rebutted Paul and said "hey, who are yooooooouuu to tell mmmeeeeee how to live...follow your convictions and I'll follow mine". No, he didn't because he was wrong! All of us are not in the good with whatever we wanna do however, whenever,and in whatever manner we personally chose. We ARE called to a higher calling and sometimes our behaviour needs to be brought into check. If we chastise those who correct us ever time then are we saying that we can all do whatever the heck we want and not nobody better say nothing about it? I'm sorry, I don't see that expressed in the scriptures.

Brian,
Honestly.. I just skimmed through your post. I don't know why you quoted me. I don't know why you don't use shorter paragraphs making it easier to read.

To me... each person here has a style of doing and saying things in my mind. You are the guy (in my mind) that comes into the middle of all good/fun/interesting debates/discussions that thinks he is the answerer of all and is going to bring peace. When it comes to me.. save it.

I picture you in the middle of the two sides... agreeing with what both parties are saying and swaying back and forth. It carries no weight with me and I really don't want to hear it.

Sooooooo.. I didn't read your post. But I do BLAME you for spelling blame wrong.

Well you obviously don't know me very well wendy but whatever. I don't play both sides of ANY issue but your probably right when you say I am in the middle. I don't want to be an extreme of either side, be it extremely ignorant or extremely a know it all.

And I have NEVER ever not once ever acted like I have the answer to all the problems of the world but I think I might have SOME of the answers. But the fact that you seem to know it all because you don't even read my post tells me that you in fact think YOU know it all and are above being taught or learning.

Typical jude2 as of late. There are too many darn chiefs and not enough indians. I'm an indian and have no problem admitting it.
I am not to proud to take a step back and examine my thoughts and motives and I have no desire to be a right fighter. I have been wrong on many occassions and I will probably miss it in the future.

And Wendy, I don't know whats up with your "I don't know why you quoted me" comment. Are you off limits to my responces? Can I not reply to something that you say in the same manner that you reply to something Poimen says? And by the way, this is one of the FEW topics that I have "jumped in the middle of", sorry to ruin all your fun discussions with my mean ol hateful comments, I have been around longer than you so there.

I have noticed that people around here get there pants all in wad when someone says something outside the accepted norm. I have been around for nearly 11 or 12 years and still you treat me as if I am johnny come lately and how dare I jump in on you guys fun interesting topics when everyone is beating up Poimen and I offer a little balance.

We as the church HAVE IN FACT FELL OFF THE WAGON. I am not blind and I don't think you are either. I am also not an "ol timer" as in old churchy ways, but I can see it clearly as the nose on my face that people are having there ears tickled by the calls of the world and people try to be an opposing voice to that THEY are demonized and made to look bad for embrasing rightousness. I don't get it.

I said clearly that neither side of this no core issue should be throwing stones at each other because it is to God whom they stand or fall. i guess that isn't a good idea huh? whatever wendy, whatever.