cap and trade solution

Full Quiver · Postby **Full Quiver** » September 16th, 2009, 7:04 am

I heard a radio commercial by the gas company that said if they could doubt their sales or customers then TN could reach the Congressional mandates of carbon emissions some 10 years earlier.

Here's the solution.

Our State Legislature should pass that all new homes be equipped with gas water heaters to start and possibly gas heating though thermal would be more efficient there so let's stick with gas water heaters.

Heating water with gas is MUCH more efficient than with electricity. I mean it is so far more efficient that there is no real argument by the electric company. Also with the new tankless systems the efficiency and capacities are superior. If all new homes went to this and all water heater replacements became gas then suddenly you are not only adding gas consumption through new customers but chipping away at additional emissions by eliminating the demand on the electrical power grid. So in essence you don't have to double the customers to gas if you are decreasing the consumption of electricity and believe me electric water heaters consume some power. Your water heater is working all day while your at work not needing hot water.

If we could also go thermal on heat systems for new homes, not existing, then we would greatly eliminate demand on electricity. Sure the power company will not like this but it fits the bill.

For the record i think cap and trade is a farce, a crime, and will cost us dearly. Maybe some common sense thinking will help us out of this mess.

MacUser · Postby **MacUser** » September 16th, 2009, 8:36 am

Full Quiver wrote:For the record i think cap and trade is a farce, a crime, and will cost us dearly

Agreed. Btw.. I want to install a tankless. How much do you charge for a house call to MS?

dolfan · Postby **dolfan** » September 16th, 2009, 9:44 am

My bro got the Renai. Man, that thing is sweet.

forestwalker · Postby **forestwalker** » September 16th, 2009, 10:33 am

I didn't know electric water heaters even existed. Never heard of such a thing out this way. Even electric clothes dryers are extremely rare. We're gas all the way.

MacUser · Postby **MacUser** » September 16th, 2009, 11:02 am

dolfan wrote:My bro got the Renai. Man, that thing is sweet.

Yes, I am sold. Continuous hot water...

Curious if I can just plug it into my existing pipes and use existing vent? FQ?

dolfan · Postby **dolfan** » September 16th, 2009, 11:17 am

forestwalker wrote:I didn't know electric water heaters even existed. Never heard of such a thing out this way. Even electric clothes dryers are extremely rare. We're gas all the way.

All electric at my house. Of course, our rates are probably lower than yours. I'm finding it real hard to be upset about that. :lol:

MacUser · Postby **MacUser** » September 16th, 2009, 11:40 am

dolfan wrote:All electric at my house. Of course, our rates are probably lower than yours. I'm finding it real hard to be upset about that.

In our rural area.. Gas really has paid off. During Katrina we were able to cook, take hot showers just like normal. During some rare ice storms we were also able to just keep on trucking in the absence of electric power.
My generator was used only when necessary...

forestwalker · Postby **forestwalker** » September 16th, 2009, 2:15 pm

dolfan wrote:All electric at my house. Of course, our rates are probably lower than yours. I'm finding it real hard to be upset about that.

Crying buckets, I'm sure.

We're ahead of the curve, though, in preparing for a tighter/more expensive supply of energy. So we may have the last laugh yet!

Do communities in the South have pipe-delivered gas (meaning piped from the central utility, not from the tank out back of the house), or is some infrastructure buildup necessary for the doubling in use that FQ is looking for? All but the most isolated communities here are piped.

MacUser · Postby **MacUser** » September 17th, 2009, 5:01 am

forestwalker wrote:Do communities in the South have pipe-delivered gas (meaning piped from the central utility, not from the tank out back of the house), or is some infrastructure buildup necessary for the doubling in use that FQ is looking for? All but the most isolated communities here are piped.

Towns have piped natural gas. Rural areas have Propane Tanks delivered via truck.

Full Quiver · Postby **Full Quiver** » September 17th, 2009, 12:37 pm

MU, I do not install these but I can say that the existing pipes are good and your existing gas vent should work as well. A recirculating pump, very small, will be needed but other than that it's probably something you can do your self. I could as well but I don't do it for a living.

Postby **Pastor Gary** » September 17th, 2009, 2:27 pm

MacUser wrote:
dolfan wrote:All electric at my house. Of course, our rates are probably lower than yours. I'm finding it real hard to be upset about that.

In our rural area.. Gas really has paid off. During Katrina we were able to cook, take hot showers just like normal. During some rare ice storms we were also able to just keep on trucking in the absence of electric power.
My generator was used only when necessary...

So you have a gas refrigerator?

Jude 2