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bummed about the future

Posted: November 2nd, 2009, 7:28 am
by Full Quiver
Rev. 21 says the Earth and Heaven will pass away and there will be a new heaven and a new Earth. That's all fine and dandy but it also says the sea will be no more. I love the ocean and thinks it's one of the most awesome parts of God's creation. Whenever I think of it I immediately think of God and sitting on the shore brings me much peace as I sit an dwell on His power.


Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Posted: November 2nd, 2009, 9:46 am
by pastorables
Could it be that something more awesome will be in store? :)

Revelation 4:6 And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind.

Just thinking,
pa

Posted: November 2nd, 2009, 10:56 am
by dolfan
I never really gave that any thought. :? I wonder about rivers. We know there is one, right?

"Water is not only fascinating, but it is also one of the most important and ubiquitous substances on Earth. There are 1.3 × (10 to the 9th) km3 of water in the oceans, 3.3 × (10 to the 7th) km3 in the polar ice caps, 2 × (10 to the 5th) km3 in glaciers, 10 to the 5th km3 in lakes, and 1.2 × (10 to the 3rd) km3 in rivers. In addition, 2.2 × (10 to the 5th) km3 of water fall annually as precipitation." (http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2000/KerllyBernabe.shtml)

Now, this doesn't address groundwater, which constitutes 8,200 X (10 to the 3rd) cubic kilometers, or 30 percent of earth's freshwater supply compared to rivers, which comprise only .006% of it. (See same page, different table).

So, what happens to all that water in the new earth??

Posted: November 2nd, 2009, 12:48 pm
by beckrl
The "sea" was used in prophecy as a symbol for "chaos" or "confusion", because the waters of the sea were in constant motion, never fully settled. Perhaps John was saying that chaos/confusion would be gone? [Isaiah 57.20]

The "sea" is a prophetic symbol for the Gentiles, as well. The reason is because, up to that time in Scripture, the Gentiles were idolatrous and unrestful. Hence, they were as restless as the sea, and the symbol became applied to them. [Isaiah 60.5]


In Revelation 13 we see a beast coming out of the "sea" This would be a symbol of humanity or a Gentile nation.

To me when reaading this about the new earth and new heaven and that there was no more "sea" to mean no more Gentiles, those that know not God.

Posted: November 5th, 2009, 1:19 am
by Russell Roberts
Beckrl, that was an awesome comment. I was thinking the same thing as I read it. Revelation is HIGHLY symbolic. Perhaps, John was saying exactly what you have suggested - the threat of chaos no longer remains.

It should also be noted that THIS EARTH IS BEING REDEEMED. God is not going to destroy it but redeem it. I'm thinking we might still go deep sea fishing.

Posted: November 5th, 2009, 4:25 am
by pastorables
Russell Roberts wrote:It should also be noted that THIS EARTH IS BEING REDEEMED. God is not going to destroy it but redeem it. I'm thinking we might still go deep sea fishing.


The souls of the repentant will be redeemed. The defiled heaven and earth will be destroyed to make way for a new heaven and new earth. Where in the world, my friend, do you get any idea that the earth is being redeemed? That sounds like Al Gore theology. :wink: :D

If I had to guess, you don't believe in a literal lake of fire either?

Blessings,
pa

Posted: November 5th, 2009, 5:31 am
by Full Quiver
The language very much implies a redemption of the actual Earth or a REcreation of the Earth and not a total destruction of such much like we find in Genesis where God said to REplenish the Earth.

Posted: November 5th, 2009, 3:12 pm
by beckrl
Full Quiver wrote:The language very much implies a redemption of the actual Earth or a REcreation of the Earth and not a total destruction of such much like we find in Genesis where God said to REplenish the Earth.


I totally agree with your comment about REcreation :wink:

Posted: November 8th, 2009, 5:11 pm
by oletimer
Dolfan wrote

So, what happens to all that water in the new earth??


Water = H2O = two parts hydrogen, one part oxygen

Guess what could happen if the chemicals of water were broken down to simple parts????

Make a lot of fuel.

Full Quiver wrote;

The language very much implies a redemption of the actual Earth or a REcreation of the Earth and not a total destruction of such much like we find in Genesis where God said to REplenish the Earth


2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.



2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?


Re 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Now where do you see redemption earth or even recreation earth?

Posted: November 9th, 2009, 1:10 am
by Mike Vande
You can't be serious. You figure you'd be bummed about not having bodies of water to sit by and ponder for inner peace when you'd be in the Presence of the Wonder that created the entire universe, and is in fact the source of all comfort?

I suggest you re-examine your priorities...

Posted: November 9th, 2009, 4:16 am
by Full Quiver
I see you don't know a joke or a facetious post when you see one Mike. :P

Posted: November 11th, 2009, 12:21 pm
by Mike Vande
Full Quiver wrote:I see you don't know a joke or a facetious post when you see one Mike. :P


I'll paraphrase a line from a Steven Martin movie; this is the internet, we get people who preach naked while smoking dope. You never know who's going to say what and mean it, regardless of what their previously stated beliefs may have been.