Ten minutes of video by John Piper that is worth the watch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLRue4nwJaA
AMENing John Piper
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AMENing John Piper
"God is excited to show you mercy. He rises to give you His compassion." (Isaiah 30:18)
"For surely, O LORD, you bless the righteous; you surround them with your favor as with a shield." (Psalm 5:12)
"For surely, O LORD, you bless the righteous; you surround them with your favor as with a shield." (Psalm 5:12)
This was linked from the same page by Piper..
John Piper - Why the Tsunami?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSO458C3 ... re=related
John Piper - Why the Tsunami?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSO458C3 ... re=related
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I am sure that I will get lambasted for this ppost...but here goes.
I attend a WOF Church....have done so for several years. While I am not in agreement to the excess of some of its proponents nor some of the fringe theological doctrines, I do believe that God desires that His children be blessed.
Those blessings are for a purpose, that purpose in my oponion is for the advancement of the Kingdom of God. I do believe in seed time and harvest..2 Cor 9 is a perfect example.
I believe their is a deeper issue that needs to be focused on. That is, the majority of those who have gravitated towards the WOF movement have come from the ranks of the pentecostals.
What has bankrupted the pentecostal movement that has caused such a mass exodus ? The lure of get rich quick message ? I don't buy that.
For many Western pentecostal organizations, they have become musuems of what once was. A historical tradition that is void of power and hold little if any relevance for the present generation. ( yes this is a generalization)
At he local church I attend I have seen more positive demonstration of God's healing power, more people of genuine prayer and people who give above and beyond than in any pentecostal organization I have ever been around.
There is a balance in every message that is preached. There are frauds in every movement. There is also a truth that must be searched for. I have preached the prosperity of the Lord in the remotes villages, I have seen lives transformed and villages changed.
When one realizes that prosperity is measures differently by differnt people and cultures then the principle of the message is valid.
I attend a WOF Church....have done so for several years. While I am not in agreement to the excess of some of its proponents nor some of the fringe theological doctrines, I do believe that God desires that His children be blessed.
Those blessings are for a purpose, that purpose in my oponion is for the advancement of the Kingdom of God. I do believe in seed time and harvest..2 Cor 9 is a perfect example.
I believe their is a deeper issue that needs to be focused on. That is, the majority of those who have gravitated towards the WOF movement have come from the ranks of the pentecostals.
What has bankrupted the pentecostal movement that has caused such a mass exodus ? The lure of get rich quick message ? I don't buy that.
For many Western pentecostal organizations, they have become musuems of what once was. A historical tradition that is void of power and hold little if any relevance for the present generation. ( yes this is a generalization)
At he local church I attend I have seen more positive demonstration of God's healing power, more people of genuine prayer and people who give above and beyond than in any pentecostal organization I have ever been around.
There is a balance in every message that is preached. There are frauds in every movement. There is also a truth that must be searched for. I have preached the prosperity of the Lord in the remotes villages, I have seen lives transformed and villages changed.
When one realizes that prosperity is measures differently by differnt people and cultures then the principle of the message is valid.
You cannot effectively love and minister to others when you are obsessed with protecting
and preserving yourself.
and preserving yourself.
paul wrote:While I am not in agreement to the excess of some of its proponents nor some of the fringe theological doctrines, I do believe that God desires that His children be blessed.
Those blessings are for a purpose, that purpose in my oponion is for the advancement of the Kingdom of God. I do believe in seed time and harvest..2 Cor 9 is a perfect example.
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There is a balance in every message that is preached. There are frauds in every movement. There is also a truth that must be searched for.
Paul,
Bingo. I find myself in growing and maturing daily in agreement with your statements above. We reject frauds in all situations... but that must not stop the search for THE Truth.
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