If the COGOP International Offices were to move

[Phil Hoover]

OUT of Cleveland, TN....(in the snowball's chance in HADES that happens)...what major area, should the International Offices consider for relocation?

Gary brought up a great point with being near international airports....so a LARGE city (30 minutes away) would definitely be desirable....

As a former member (who will definitely come back when the LORD makes it clear that I should do so), I think moving out of Cleveland TN would be a very FORWARD-LOOKING step for the denomination....

[Pastor Gary]

Well, I wasn't so much proposing a move as asking why it was not at least mentioned or considered in that report as one of several options to be discussed and considered.

Assuming they did consider a move to be closer to a major international airport, and assuming they felt a need to remain in the Bible belt, the most obvious options might be somewhere in the greater Atlanta area, or the Charlotte, NC area, as both are major airline hubs.

Again -- I am not pushing that, just wondering whether it might have received some consideration.

[Phil Hoover]

that neither YOU nor anyone else is "pushing" the proposal for the International Offices to leave Cleveland TN...

HOWEVER, that would not be a bad thing....

The denomination has a very BIBLICAL position and vision to "reach the harvest..."........

The "Southeastern harvest" has heard the Gospel.....

[paul]

Several years ago I decided to relocate our ministry from Texas to California. This was done after a season of prayer...and taking along look at whom and where I felt God calling us to as a mission organization.

When we realized that our calling was directed to Southeast Asia and the middle east we felt that Southern California was the best option. The incrediable diversity of bellievers and churches in the LA area offered door of opportunities that helped propell our ministry into the very areas we felt called to. the conveience and lower cost factor of flying from LAX to southeast asia was a plus.

I remember John Maxwell mentioning that he relocated his ministry from San diego to Atlanta area because 85% of the population of the US lived east of the Missippii. And by living there it saved him a great deal of money and time in the air for his conferences.

Maybe it is time for COGOP to lay aside the semential ties and look at the reality and make the needed adjustments.

Just my nickel's woth

[oletimer]

Though I'm no longer a member, I still wish it well. My thoughts about moving to Alanta or NC is that I've been in Alanta at rush hour and it took two hour to go around the north side of Atlanta. So things like this would make a different for me. If one wanted to stay in the south, then Nashville would be more of a center all the way round. Personally I don't see the need to move. Cost and the value of property in those area would be soooo much higher.

[PastorDaniel]

The documents mention a new HQ on the TC campus. It seems there is a push among those on the committees to reopen TC and put everything on one property. I also take that they are trying to focus on the relationship that has been built with Lee and the COG.

[stevenson]

I said a long time ago that they should consider moving COGOP to Charlotte, NC and rename the organization to something like "international fellowship of pentecostal churches".

[Billy n NC]

We own the property where TC is located. Selling the HQ facilitys on Keith St would/could be a good move. Monies from the sell of the property should cover the expenses of a new facility and even have some left over.

Relocating HQ's out of cleveland. I guess those that travel might benefit some but would that savings cover moving 10 - 20 or more families . With communication/internet being what it is, you can almost be anywhere and conduct business as usual..

Just my .02 cents.

[Rascal]

I have been away from COGOP for about 3 yrs but I am still a member as far as I know. I can't imagine selling the HQ building as it is a beautiful building and a great location in Cleveland. I think there is something to be said about an organization having a professional/corporate look. I think the present building is that. To move it to TC is a move off the main street back across the tracks. A place we did not desire to be 50 years ago. I assume the building is paid for and there is no mortgage. So, WHY would you do this. I assume there is only one answer and that is MONEY. Is the church so broke that they are now having to resort to extreme measures to stay balanced? Has income to GH droped that low that they can't affort to keep the HQ building open? Could someone be willing or brave enough to enlighten us on the real finanical situation of COGOP?

[Full Quiver]

Nashville would make sense

[DeWayneTN]

It has been explained this proposal is not a reactionary one but a pre-emptive move. We have tenants at the former TC campus now, but they have expressed interest in leaving. If that happens, we will face a shortfall, so this is an attempt to be good stewards and avoid any future crises. The consultants also felt the former TC campus (200 acres) would be a better property to hang on to, since Cleveland is expected to grow by 4,000 households in the next 5 years because of two major factories being built nearby.

As far as moving out of Cleveland, another major component going into this was - the IO is not going to go into debt to relocate. That's not an option.

[PastorDaniel]

I thought TC campus was only 96 acres. FOTW is 200 acres. Either way....you're right about the motive and reason. It's a good move I think.

[DeWayneTN]

I thought TC campus was only 96 acres. FOTW is 200 acres. Either way....you're right about the motive and reason. It's a good move I think.

You're right - sorry about that. My bad.

[Rascal]

I disagree that the TC property is a better site. It is split in two by an airfield. I don't believe there will ever be another TC or any other college on that site. If Lee College does not want it, no one else will. The church is out of the college business forever. Lee is now our church college. They should sell the TC property and keep GH building.

[Rascal]

I have just read a report on this in The Cleveland Daily Banner dated today 10/10/10. It gives a report of the firm that made the recommendations and Bishop Howards remarks to the assembly. Interesting reading.