Israel Question #2

Gerald · Postby **Gerald** » December 3rd, 2011, 8:37 am

Gen 17:7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.

Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Galations says the Promise was TO CHRIST.

IF you believe the Promise was to THE JEWS you believe ALREADY that the BIble is in error. You deny Galations 3:16

JESUS is the Ultimate Fulfilment of the Everlasting Covenant;.

Poimen · Postby **Poimen** » December 3rd, 2011, 12:29 pm

I think it's both/and not either/or. Israel (at least that left to be saved) inherits the fulfilled promise in Christ, and we are grafted in to that as well.

Gerald · Postby **Gerald** » December 3rd, 2011, 1:12 pm

Poimen wrote:I think it's both/and not either/or. Israel (at least that left to be saved) inherits the fulfilled promise in Christ, and we are grafted in to that as well.

So You mean when Galations said "not to seeds" he really meant YES to seeds AND THE seed????

Poimen · Postby **Poimen** » December 3rd, 2011, 1:35 pm

No, I'd say it points to the fact that Israel's promises are wrapped up in the person of Messiah, to the Jew first and to the Gentile. Israel's promises will not be finally fulfilled and realized apart from Christ, anymore than the other promises were fulfilled apart from the other chosen branches of the lineage from David back to Seth. Nevertheless those promises are still good and will be fulfilled, in Christ. Israel will reap all the promises and blessings God pronounced through their acceptance of and fellowship in Christ. Israel will be saved, and will therefore accept Jesus, but not before a great many die in unbelief. Still, the promises of God are true, and a remnant will remain.

Gerald · Postby **Gerald** » December 4th, 2011, 4:50 pm

Poimen wrote:No, I'd say it points to the fact that Israel's promises are wrapped up in the person of Messiah, to the Jew first and to the Gentile. Israel's promises will not be finally fulfilled and realized apart from Christ, anymore than the other promises were fulfilled apart from the other chosen branches of the lineage from David back to Seth. Nevertheless those promises are still good and will be fulfilled, in Christ. Israel will reap all the promises and blessings God pronounced through their acceptance of and fellowship in Christ. Israel will be saved, and will therefore accept Jesus, but not before a great many die in unbelief. Still, the promises of God are true, and a remnant will remain.

So you ARE saying that the people of Israels only hope is Christ?
If their only hope is Christ, what does it profit being a Jew?

oletimer · Postby **oletimer** » December 4th, 2011, 6:00 pm

Gerald wrote:

So you ARE saying that the people of Israels only hope is Christ?
If their only hope is Christ, what does it profit being a Jew?

I would ask what would it profit them not to be a Jew. Unless they are part of the 144 thousand, they have the same life line that any of us do, the Blood of Christ.

Yes there are some special promases to the Jews.

Jude 2